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In a recently obtained leak from NASCAR, Kickin’ the Tires has reported that NASCAR will be having an electric exhibition before the 2023 Busch Light Clash at the Coliseum. This also will be a prelude to a 2023/2024 6 race exhibition series for NASCAR’s new electric cars. So, what will happen as NASCAR will experiment with electric cars!
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What are your thoughts on NASCAR using electric vehicles?
It’s not worth watching if they do change to electric, and they’d kill the earth faster for their supply of lithium
Nial in the coffin. They lost me as a fan when the started the current “play off” points system. With the cars they run now it might as well be the IROC series. Nascar should field 43 cars, teams draw for which car they get to race. They put their number on the car and use their pit crew. At the end of the race, turn the car back into NASCAR and go home. Nascar is boring now, go electric. Snooze fest.
Other than powering stock cars with lithium ion batteries, there might be an option to use hydrogen. Both Ford and Toyota are developing a V8 engine that runs on hydrogen.
They shouldn’t ruin anyone of there current divisions, I think the Xfiniy series is a middle ground, and they should just open up a new series.
I would rather hear tires squealing than getting my ears blown out.
I saw the title and I was like:
*”oh no”*
The v8 loud engine fans are gonna have a field day with this one
Is that not every one of us?
That’ll be the last time I watch if they go electric!
Same dude.
We about to have actual “controller died” moments. Also RIP fuel mileage finishes
@Gabingston pocono 2021
*Formula E Monaco 2021 wants to know your location*
@Gabingston No it didn’t there still have been fuel mileage races. hell some tracks are still called fuel mileage races for their races
No, you could as the batteries they use would be changeable would be the thought.
@Gabingston Pocono would like to have a word
My problem with this is, and I’ve said this a lot, is electric cars will not fix climate change. Electric cars themselves are not bad, I actually really like them. But the process of making the giant battery packs, more specifically the mining process for lithium, is detrimental to the environment. Because lithium mining affects the ground, water, and the air. The V8 has also been the engine that NASCAR has been using since it’s debut. Apart from the Hudson Hornet which used a 6 cylinder, please correct me if there were more cars with smaller engine. I do also like the idea of NASCAR making a division for electric cars. I guess we’ll see how all this goes though.
You are correct about how mining for lithium is destroying the environment…….HOWEVER: “Climate change” and/or “global warming” is A HOAX because scientific evidence proves that the Earth has been undergoing major heating & cooling cycles NATURALLY……..FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. ( REAL science also proves that the Earth is NOT “millions of years old”. ) Furthermore: volcanic activity that is always taking place somewhere all over the Earth, both on land and on the ocean floors, spews more carbons into the atmosphere IN A SINGLE DAY vs ALL man-made carbons combined throughout our entire industrial history. But there’s more: the vast swamps & sea grass beds all over the Earth continuously belch methane gas ( another form of carbon ) into the atmosphere, that also dwarfs all man-made carbons. YET WE’RE ALL STILL HERE. …….and no one is talking about these facts…….just like hardly anyone is making a peep about how the huge chemical corporations & the military industrial complex have been poisoning the entire Earth and ALL life forms for decades now, including all of the chem trails that are being sprayed in our skies all over the Earth non-stop…….24/7………year round.
@R2Y2 “Earth will run out of oil” Yeah, where have I heard that before? Oh wait, they say it every decade “Earth will run out of oil in 15/20/30 years. When will you realize that you’re being scammed?
I don’t think you realize what a colossal undertaking upgrading the power grid would be to support that kind of output. It wouldn’t be an “upgrade” it would be a total overhaul which would require massive chunks of the gird to be torn out and rebuilt. As for your asinine assertion about “300 miles of range.” That’s on a flat road in ideal driving conditions. In reality, that almost never happens and the real range is closer to 240 to 250 miles (Source, everyone I know that owns a Tesla).
Solar and wind are inefficient and can’t match the power output nor are they as consistent as coal. Nuclear is the only true clean alternative but that’s not going to happen because of propaganda about “mUh cHeRnObYl” and “mUh FuKuShImA.”
@MotorsportsMania21 Were did I say that we will run out of oil in our lifetime? We undertake colossal projects every decade. The solar and wind were the only power sources that worked when Texas froze last year, and if you did any actual research you would understand that Humans are having an effect on the planet, like just the simple fact atmospheric CO2 is higher now than it has been in the last million years.
@astraa?? Toyota Is working on solid state batteries
@toxicfem69 try telling Volvo that lol. You’re absolutely correct but that’s exactly what it’s “about” for anyone selling them.
Honestly if NASCAR does go fully electric it would be kind of weird just sitting watching a race and you hear nothing
@Badger1 they actually can find ways to amplify EV engine noise without making it fake. They haven’t done it because as of right now no one wants a loud EV, but nascar could change that. I can’t wait to see EVs in nascar.
@Persoonmars I don’t have anything against your opinion or enthusiasm for EV future in NASCAR, but I highly doubt that ANY battery powered racecar would make the same or as much sound as their gas powered counterparts unless they use fake exhaust sounds with speakers on the back exterior of the cars. Besides they don’t rev or shift so it’s not possible for them to make them loud without using some fake noises from a amplified speaker
@Badger1 I agree that fake engine sound IS crap, but electric motors do make sound and the sound is pretty cool. I definitely don’t think they could amplify it enough to the point where it becomes as loud as a nascar ICE engine, but I think they could get it considerably loud enough to the point where people can hear it from the stands. I also think that less noise could be a good thing, as you may have noticed a lot of people tend to bring headphones to nascar races (although if you’re a true fan or you’re ok with having hearing loss you don’t), so having an engine that’s not as loud might attract a bigger crowd. Considering this though idk what the hell id do if they ended up putting fake exhaust sounds on those cars. If it brings more people to the sport then that’s fine I guess but those fake exhaust sounds are just a joke.
@Badger1 I get what you’re saying I guess, but I think it’s safe to say that sacrificing a cool engine noise for the climate and environment is something we can live with. I’m not saying switching nascar to electric could change anything about the climate right now, but at some point we’ll need to phase out almost all ICE engines for electric. I’m sure some people will still have ICE cars and ICE races will still take place for die hard fans, but a lot of cars will probably be electric. I still think it’s possible to amplify the EV engine noise, maybe pump it through speakers around the stadium so people can hear it when they say, “start your engines,” but I agree it probably won’t be the same. I think a lot of things will change, some for the better and some for the worst. It’s something I think I can live with though.
I agree with Dale Jr. If you loose the manufacturers you loose the sport. So give them an incentive to invest in the sport. As long as it’s like Formula E, a side series to the main series im all fine!
@Alexis Borden Unfortunately if we’re looking at it on a monetary benefit, it’s a long way off before renewable energy could make a return on investment (remember, those things don’t come cheap). Also in terms of electric cars, because most of the materials needed to make the batteries are rare minerals, that could jack up the price of these cars if the minerals needed have run thin. The same thing could happen to oil in the future as well as fossil fuels. As much as I want to help the enviroment, I know better than to trust the claims of an environmentalist that has been misled by the same corporations who are killing the planet. Then again, nothing on the individual level like buying a lot of “eco friendly” products is not going to be doing any good because 71% of pollution comes from the top 100 most powerful companies on Earth and none of us have either the money or power to stop them.
@Alexis Borden Unfortunately, we don’t live in a perfect world.
“What wins on Saturday sales on Monday?”
Nascar “we are concerned about controlling rising team costs” also nascar “build electric cars and race them”
@Zachary Johnson sponsors? Car companies support? Think about it, what does nascar run on? $$$ TV deals will be coming up soon, will they want to spend what they were?
@Andrew Hicks they want to spend money on a new gimmick that could bring in new fans…the series is dying and you all are OK with it as long as they don’t push electric cars?
@Andrew Hicks what happens in the next 20 years when no one is making gas cars, would it make any sense to run gas cars when it comes to trying to sell and promote a product?
@Zachary Johnson then likely it won’t matter as the sport will likely be dead. Think about it, give the tech involved in electric cars and moat your drivers start on local short tracks how many will be able to build or afford said cars? Just an opinion but think on it.
@Andrew Hicks right, but your local short track guys will have to be driving electric too bcuz no one will be making gas cars in 20 years
If NASCAR wants to do that, make another division. Do NOT ruin Cup, Xfinity, and Trucks with it.
@nascarfanatic2425 I’m with you on the pros and cons on gas versus electric. The open wheel cars are awesome so it might not be so bad. I’ll start watching again because the wrecks will sounds so much worse. I think it will be fun to watch.
@nascarfanatic2425 9
Why not ecup series
Similar to formula E
Can we have an SUV class please
A core feature of Nascar is the engine. 40 V8s screaming, pushing for every last bit of power. Feeling your body being shaken to it’s core. Coming home and your clothes and hair smell like racing fuel. You kill the ICE in Nascar, you kill Nascar’s heart and most, if not all, of the fan base will leave.
But what about the 0.006% of NASCAR’s fanbase that wants EV racing? You gotta think about them! 😀
@Peekaboo so they can go watch FE then lol
@__Boomer2__ Precisely. The people in charge might not be this sensible though.
Don’t worry, most of the core fans have already gone. Our sport is barely alive and will never be the same. Society has changed too much ( wokeness and climate hysteria)
@pierogi It’s not wokeness/climate hysteria it the truth
The idea that the Nascar overlords will just dictate and force a 99% hated change on a spectator sport is wild.
They already have lots of practice with it.
gotten really good at it
is there something wrong with that?
@metrcc Well yeah, fandom is the lifeblood of the sport. Also, I don’t hear of any teams or drivers pounding the table for these changes. So this is literally just Nascar forcing their ideas onto people who never asked for this at best, and fully oppose it at worst.
Hahaha…no dude…Think this way…because electric cars make no sound your favorite driver will be able to produce his own ARTIFICIAL motor sound….Imagine the wild sounds out there that can be Assigned to your DRIVERS car. …Imagine your favorite driver is NECK and NECK with an opponent on the last lap and he’s making TIGER SOUNDS and the other guy is making PIGLY WIGLY GRUNTS….hahahahaha..get my drift….with ARTIFICIAL SOUND the SKY is the limit on what can be IMAGINED and PRODUCED. Mark this post
1. My guess to why NASCAR is considering hybrid/electric this early on is not only because they want to attract more manufacturers to the sport, but also possibly from pressure by Ford/Chevy/Toyota. All three, especially General Motors, are pushing to have an all-electric lineup in the next decade or so. It makes sense for them to get NASCAR to switch, because the new powertrains better suit their portfolios.
2. I think making Xfinity the full-electric series is a great idea. If NASCAR lets manufacturers only run a single series instead of supplying all three, then for sure there could be some firepower. Rivian in Trucks (if they go electric too), Tesla in Xfinity, etc.
3. Is Hendrick’s Garage 56 Camaro set to have a hybrid powertrain, or have they not said anything yet?
4. Technology derived from racing all electic vehicles can quickly become cost effective for road cars. So many things we take for granted (rearview mirrors, disc brakes, ABS) were used in racecars before street cars or were otherwise perfected while racing. In this instance it seems battery performance will be the main goal, which could increase battery life and distances travelled before charging.
its because america by 2030 it will be illegal for gas cars in america nascar has no choice
@Nicky D lmao no shot that happens oil and gas lobbies literally run DC
@Nicky D Lol oh how behind you are, if there is even a USA by 2030 that’ll be a real blessing. Republican and Democrats alike are discussing a national divorce lol. A congresswoman said it her self thats preferable (Btw Security Agencies i am not promoting it just spreading awareness).
@5thGremlin this guy is terrifyingly very right
I’ve never seen a sport try so hard to kill itself, nascar would truly be lost if they go through with this.
And what happens between 2030-40 when the OEMs stop making ICE Motors?
@FreeJaffa92 lame as heck. Is what that’ll be.
@FreeJaffa92 Same thing that happens when they stop making rear wheel drive v8 sedans. They put some damn stickers on it, make a joke about how a team built race car is a “Ford” or “Toyota”, and race, just like they’ve done with the Camry, Fusion, Taurus, Intrepid, Lumina, Later Years Monte Carlo… The manufacturers don’t make the engines anyways, the teams do. They have sponsorship money to do it, but a Hendrick engine is made and designed by Hendrick, not Chevy, absolutely nothing in a Hendrick cup engine or car is found anywhere on a road vehicle.
A little overdramatic are we? Pretty sure a lot of Formula fans probably said the same thing when FE was first announced. Most likely the main sport’ll go hybrid, and there’ll be a separate series for electric.
The Xfinity Series consistently puts on the best show week in & week out, so it’s only natural that NASCAR is gonna find a way to ruin that. They always do.
You are 100% correct
fucking always
The xfinity Series still has a glimpse from the golden past. I just watch to hear the sounds of pit stops. They remind me of the good times 20 years ago. Otherwise I couldn’t care less if they go electric. I rather watch old races than this.
Well so much for the fun of nascar. The V8 pushrod motor is the heart of the car.
An electric motor could easily be manipulated mid race to perform better or worse by nascar. Huge possibility for events getting rigged.
No more pit stops, no more noise, no more fun. Sucky change
1. Tires will make some road noise and an electric motor does make faint sound. 2. What will electric motors do to just kill good racing? 3. I feel like nascar will have no control over the motors wirelessly as it really would be pointless for nascar to be in control of the motor output but an emergency killswitch inside the car would be helpful in case of a crash.
What they _should_ do is make a new branch of the sport. Something like the “NASCAR Power Series”, or “NASCAR Electric Series”, etc, and have it run on weekends in which only two other series are running (such as Cup and Xfinity, or Cup and Truck). I think outright converting to electric entirely might be a mistake, at least with this sudden of a move.
Plus you have to remember that electric racing is still a rather new concept. Formula E only debuted back in 2014, and something like an endurance event that NASCAR generally is might not be the greatest plan until we iron out additional kinks and figure out how to improve our efficiency even further, especially when you consider that these cars are likely still going to be heavy. (Obviously they’ll be a lot lighter than a traditional stock car, but they’ll probably be at least double the weight of your given Formula E car.) I might add that a lot of excitement in NASCAR is that fuel is an important dynamic that can make or break someone’s race, and going all electric will remove one more variable that make the races exciting. (Seriously, who doesn’t love a good fuel saving dash to the finish? Johnny Benson in 2002, Tony Stewart in 2006, and Mark Martin in 2009 comes to mind…)
On top of all this, by removing gas entirely, you’re also going to remove virtually all of the noise… and let’s face it, a lot of fans enjoy the sounds of the race (including me), and removing such an iconic staple entirely would be a mistake in an era where NASCAR is already having a difficult time keeping fans onboard. Now they could add speakers that simulate the noise, but I think I speak for most car guys when I say that people don’t really like that.
And don’t even get me started on the problems that occur just from mining batteries…
I think adding an Electric series is the answer for now before making it mandatory in the Xfinity or Cup Series because it could end up like the convertible series that died out.
its because america by 2030 it will be illegal for gas cars in america nascar has no choice nascar cup will have no choice by 2030
Or then NASCAR has to resurrect the series the way that NASCAR did with Sportsman in Late 2000’s or early 2010’s as they still had even in late 1990’s to early 2000’s with Truck, Midget (the 1920–1930s style cars with 4 cylinder), and Later model in 1980’s or 1990’s added to NASCAR drivers only staying 1 year maybe 2 in a series before moving on
Sportsman got dropped for the then Bush series that developed from a Bush series that had a West, Northeast, Southeast and Midwest, nearly the same as the first spilt in series for Modified that got a Northweast and Southweast split in the 2000’s.
If they had a hybrid system like the one used in WRC that might work but I would prefer we stick to combustion only
Or BTCC, that system works really really good