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Kevin Harvick, Clint Bowyer, and Denny Hamlin plead with NASCAR to add horsepower. Chase Briscoe has surgery on his finger. TV ratings for Martinsville are in.
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1:35 Briscoe has surgery
2:39 The Chase Elliott Effect?
6:01 Drivers want more horespower
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It think many fans, me included, are upset with NASCAR. From no passing, officiating being a complete joke, cautions that are obviously scripted and bad broadcasting. Everyone but the die hards like us are ceasing to watch.
Agree agree and agree! Also they have slowly been killing the at track camping experiences.
A tale as old as time. There will always be something to complain about with NASCAR. Even as a kid in the mid 90s, I remember hearing adults complain about the sport.
How simple minded are you nascar fans? Since when does more passing mean better racing? Go on the highway if you want to pass, this is nascar racing, not nascar passing
I thought there was little passing then saw there were more green flag passes than last year or the 2021 race.
This year has had far more passing in every race compared to last year and with the gen 6.
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@Eric Estepp How was your martinsville trip?
They promoted the hell out of it. Chase did a half hour interview on the Pat McAfee show on Thursday. I’ve been watching his show for years and they have never even mentioned NASCAR. I was shocked.
If Chase elliot is the “superstar” in nascar they’re in huge trouble, a piece of cardboard has more personality
@joshawott331 I listen to Dale Jr Download didn’t think it was that great, Justin Haley has 1000x more personality than Clyde ever has, DBC podcast proved that. he’s a Christopher Bell Clone, just another Robot, Nascar doesn’t make it easier by fining them for speaking either.
Clyde is not mainstream not like Jimmy, Dale Jr and Sr, Tony, Carl, Greg, Michael Waltrip, Darrell, Jeff Gordon. Those are mainstream drivers that have personalit, Clyde aint going on SNL anytime soon. He aint appearing in mainstream commercials, handing out awards at MTV or the grammies, not even the cmt awards.
Nascar has a major driver personality issue, and they haven’t got 1 mainstream driver, not 1, hence the low rating, the empty seats, and gen z not caring about Nascar. There isn’t a mainstream driver
@the u.s. leadership are liarsYes, but your stars have to be willing to go in shows. Larson won’t get as many offers for obvious reasons. And Busch used to not want to do a lot of promotion for NASCAR.
Even when Chase raced the ratings were still down compared to last year so far so I doubt it had an huge role with the declined ratings other then this past weekend of course as for more horsepower I don’t know until at least we make sure that the next gen car was safer first before trying to increase the horsepower on the cars. We could get another driver injured if they increase the horsepower too much but would Chevy Ford and Toyota be willing to agree to it or not is another story.
I don’t know how to feel about the Chase Elliott effect, because this means that Elliott being back in the car was also the reason IndyCar ratings returned back as well
Ok
Eric is just plain uneducated. The ratings on a SUNDAY are ALWAYS greater than a Saturday night. HENCE THE NFL. On top of that Ross wall ride would have way more to do with ratings at Martinsville than chase Elliot returning. Just stupid reporting sometimes
Listen to 4:33 again
My ’70 454 Chevelle made over 500 HP with very few modifications. This low horsepower thing is ridicules. Crank up the engines and let the cream rise to the top.
Also i wish fox would prioritize the sound of the cars instead of the booth.
Your 454 gonna turn 8500 rpm for how long???
@Scott George his point is it was a roadworthy car from 50 years ago. A full race engine can last now for a race or two at higher than 670hp
Denny talked about it on his podcast saying all that needed to be changed was to take away shifting on ovals, increase HP, and have a better tire
nascar isn’t worried about simple solutions, as we’ve learned over the last two decades they would rather run in a full circle away from a solution than to just jump to it
What’s the problem with shifting on ovals?
A better tire? The problem is how good the tire and the whole car is. We need a worse tire with less grip
@Peekaboo you have to remember how simple minded the nascar community is, they don’t care about performance, they would rather see bad performing cars because they think the on track product is better when the cars suck
Dale Jr covered this about 2 months ago he said “add horse power, make a softer tire, take that damn spoiler off”
You take the spoiler completely off there’s going to be twice as many cautions, Dale Jr was a great driver but he doesn’t have all the right answers
@Mathew Hosier not really. The cars have ground effect for aero now like F1 cars now and Peugeot’s no wing Hypercar. If they like ran the normal diffuser they use at intermediates and take the spoiler off but maybe leave like a gurney flap or something on the cars they’d just be removing some drag than completely removing downforce since all the downforce is coming from the floor. At least on short tracks and road courses. The smaller spoiler on the short track/road course package would make it a bit harder to handle on intermediates but not completely cause of ground effect.
@Mathew Hosier if it actually looked like a race car and had a racing body and not a like a v8 street car maybe no spoiler would work
i’m curious if Richmond also had a bit of an inflated bump in ratings due to the new short track package and maybe even due to Larry Mac being in the booth, which would just make this entire discussion even more confusing
❤ Larry Mac in the booth.
Well we also don’t have any sports teams here, so having NASCAR is pretty much all we get. We are very lucky to have a NASCAR track.
The race was better than last year, but it really needs to get better. Martinsville used to be my favorite, but it needs a lot of improvement. I think that is the real reason for the poor tv numbers too.
Agreed. I think due to the poor race last year, fans were scared that it would be trash again this year so they just didn’t watch
I think at a bare minimum the 750 HP that we ran with the Gen 6 at the short tracks and road courses would be better than what we have now with 670.
750 isn’t enough , that is what the xfinity has had for years. Cup was always on top with 950. Turn them all the way up to 950 again
At least 750 everywhere but I’d say 850
I want more horsepower so much. I miss when super-speedways actually had cars go 200 MPH. They go maybe 195 max now at Daytona, and it’s very rare to see them go over 200 at Talledega. I never understood why they were taking horsepower out of cars rather than making them faster. Hopefully this forces some change and we get the horsepower we desire!
The cars back in 2018-19 were able to reach 200 in superspeedways on their own, now they struggle to reach 185 in the draft. By themselves they can’t even reach 180…
@Thraser999 That’s what I’m saying, and I’m the 00s couldn’t they do like, 205? That looked super fun. I’m all for safety, but the cars were ironically safer in the gen 6 era. That’s not to say I don’t like the new cars, but you could easily have more HP and have the cars be safer at the same time
@ShinyMew76 Yup, and for the sake of safety they can even redesign the ugly-looking rear of the car, make the entire trunk section a bit longer, and the rear bumper straight, so when they push/draft in superspeedways they don’t crash or spin out that easily. There are quite a few simple changes that don’t require much, and can improve the overall quality of the show…
@Thraser999 if they make the decklid longer they can put the number back in the center where they belong.
@poly cube Hopefully. The number not being centered looks really weird.
I know it’ll not happen, but man I miss the 2014 style package with950hp and high downforce. The best racing Gen5/6/7 had to offer
I agree. They did have a bit too much downforce IMO. If they reduced that spoiler height the cars would really have to be driven.
@Ryan Ward well according to Denny Hamlin on his podcast they already are in the engines are just restricted down to 670 currently. New manufacturers probably wouldn’t do it but we haven’t attracted any new OEMs so….
Also, Denny said on the DJD last year that the new car really wasn’t less expensive than the old car. So new car, less power, and same cost.
It should be cheaper now. They were probably out more R&D for the new car. Now it should be cheaper.
@Easy E Network Normally I would agree but with single sourced parts that the teams can only purchase from, I could easily see no Y/Y declines in costs.
thats because denny isnt including the super expensive team lvl Skunkworks R+D. those 10ths can cost 100k each easily. he is talking about component cost. which i am surprised gen 5 was so expensive for what was underneath it. i bet gen 6 pricing is “future proof” pricing i.e stable to attract Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Honda.
The tracks that say a bump up in HP from Gen 6 to Gen 7 have improved. Those that went down from 750 to 670 HP are suffering.
Ironically, adding electric components to the engine would probably make the increasing horsepower issue a lot easier to achieve and actually be something OEMs are interested in pursuing.
If any entity is going to ruin NASCAR, it will most certainly be NASCAR.
Another great podcast. How do you feel about the tire/wheel that sat on the front stretch for 35 seconds before the caution was thrown?
I think it’ll take several changes to help the racing on the short tracks. Upping the horsepower is definitely one, but you also need a tires that fall off ALOT, maybe take the defuser off and stick a 5 or 6 inch spoiler on the car, maybe even relax the gear rule (I’m assuming they still have that rule) where the teams could have some options there. Basically it’s going to take more than just one change, I think it’s most likely going to take a combination of these changes to help the racing, heck, maybe even look at the truck and/or XFinity series and see what they can learn there, they always seem to put on a good show for the most part.
That’s why more people I feel watch xfinity. I for one would rather watch that. Plus you have some young talent with alot more to prove to be able to get to cup.
@adamdoing6689 yeah, I’ve been hearing XFinity being called “the last old school series” recently as the team’s still build their own chassis and engines (those that can afford to do that anyway) or they’re able to purchase an older chassis to use. It’s pretty much the same with the truck series too, minus the spec engine course.
I think grooved tires would be a good solution. F1 used to use grooved tires on dry tracks, and I think it worked fairly well