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Why Is NASCAR Still NOT Adding Horsepower?!

For the last decade a huge talking point among NASCAR, drivers, fans, media, and everyone in between is how much horsepower these cars compete with. At the peak there were 900 horsepower monsters that raced well and sounded mean. There were a few years with 750 horsepower and then the dark times of 550. At the moment we are at 670 and when asked repeatedly about it NASCAR President Steve Phelps has been very non committal on adding power to the cars. I as well as many fans are wondering why is NASCAR still NOT adding horsepower?!

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42 comments

@TheIceberg November 28, 2023 at 10:14 pm

Do you think adding horsepower is the answer to improve NASCAR’s racing?

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@cadillacjohn1994 November 28, 2023 at 10:19 pm

Yes!

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@averyalford2400 November 28, 2023 at 10:19 pm

Absolutely!

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@BlueJimmie48Fan November 28, 2023 at 10:20 pm

it’s part of the answer, but not entirely the answer.

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@thurgoodjenkins4311 November 28, 2023 at 10:20 pm

Like a broken record…. 1000 hp, tire with smaller profile that wears, no downforce. There is your recipe.

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@benwalter4842 November 28, 2023 at 10:25 pm

Yes!

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@JGR4LIFE November 28, 2023 at 10:19 pm

Because ever since 2015, NASCAR is all about “saving money”. We need former racers like Kevin Harvick, Jeff Burton, and Dale Jr to run NASCAR to give fans what they want.

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@nascarfanatic2425 November 28, 2023 at 10:25 pm

Yeah, all about “saving money” while keeping a championship crowning format that encourages drivers to do things like wreck each other, which makes them spend more money.

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@evannuh-koo-la4054 November 28, 2023 at 10:26 pm

NASCAR is way too expensive for those guys

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@BaronOBeefDip November 28, 2023 at 10:40 pm

It’s also to draw in more manufacturers

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@nascarfanatic2425 November 28, 2023 at 10:40 pm

@@evannuh-koo-la4054 Don’t underestimate the size of their wallets combined.

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@evannuh-koo-la4054 November 28, 2023 at 10:42 pm

​​@@nascarfanatic2425don’t underestimate NASCAR’s tangible net worth

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@austinemms9772 November 28, 2023 at 10:21 pm

Refusing to add horsepower is jus another example of NASCAR’s current motto: “Give the people what they want….. five years too late and when they’re already gone.”

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@CJODell12 November 28, 2023 at 11:01 pm

No their motto is “give the fans the total opposite of what they want”

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@mattcardarelli November 28, 2023 at 11:43 pm

The Steve and Steve show

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@S.K.R.E.Inc. November 29, 2023 at 1:53 am

The one show that no one wants to see

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@codyvanderbeek9308 November 28, 2023 at 10:24 pm

Even if they had more hp to short tracks and road courses I think that would be fine but kept intermediate and super tracks at the 625

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@aiwash2766 November 28, 2023 at 10:26 pm

This truly has been my biggest problem above all with nascar, just add the horsepower literally everyone has been saying that

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@hunternixonfishing2500 November 28, 2023 at 10:33 pm

I think it’s a lot of the answer to improve the racing mainly on short tracks and road courses but also I think the ride height rule is some of it too and Goodyear needs to build a compatible tire

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@DaCopter94 November 28, 2023 at 10:43 pm

I want more horsepower. I want the drivers to show off their abilities. I think what we have at intermediates is fine, maybe we can tweak it a bit and add like 30-50 more hp, but other than that, it’s fine. But for god’s sake, road courses and short takes NEED the power. Those are the tracks that genuinely require skill and will definitely benefit more.

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@S.K.R.E.Inc. November 29, 2023 at 1:55 am

They’re beating a dead horse at this point

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@thembanjoko7851 November 28, 2023 at 10:45 pm

NASCAR not wanting to increase horsepower is similar to how Formula One Management (FOM) not wanting to add more teams (Andretti for example) but they keep adding more races on the F1 schedule. Both NASCAR and F1 have annoying managers/owners.

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@JakeFromFarm243jdbalXD0-2gNhsC November 29, 2023 at 12:33 am

It’s hilarious that there is space for more teams but they just don’t want to add any

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@coreychick749 November 29, 2023 at 1:12 am

@@JakeFromFarm243jdbalXD0-2gNhsC It is. The teams don’t want to dilute the pie that they all get a slice of, so its turned into a nursery fight.

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@villain6634 November 29, 2023 at 4:09 am

Give the cars 1000 hp at select tracks. The advertisement will go crazy lol

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@arendrollo3070 November 28, 2023 at 10:54 pm

I think there’s a bigger problem than just horsepower. There is a major disconnect between NASCAR leadership and both drivers and fans. The drivers and fans are on the same page : absolutely pissed that leadership appears uninterested in anything we have to say, drivers and fans alike

The playoffs are an issue. The schedule is an issue. The car is an issue. The viewing experience is an issue. The promotion of drivers and their personalities is an issue. And yes, horsepower is a legitimate major issue. One of these being an issue, actually, isn’t an issue. Nothings perfect, and most fans don’t expect perfection. But all these issues mounting on each other eventually will break the camel’s back.

And guess what, NASCAR and the teams are not growing and fixing their own personal money issues until they correct the decisions that have alienated the fans and wrecked the racing product. It’s really simple actually. A decent amount of happy fans equals moneybags, while tons and tons of uninterested or unhappy fans equals no moneybags. It’s all supply and demand. Right now NASCAR is supplying gimmicky boring racing which has little to no demand, and isn’t delivering on the true actual consumer demands we fans share. This is basic economics, so NASCAR is essentially run by non-driver mediocre businessmen fully willing to put their pride before the success of the sport.

I truly believe that 90% of drivers and die-hard fans could run the sport better without even putting in much effort. There’s no reason to trust in the sport’s leadership anymore, they’ve proved how little they view us fans and the drivers. It’s waiting time for the next wave of leaders, and we just gotta cross our fingers they actually care about NASCAR in at least some minimal capacity.

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@johnhaas2523 November 28, 2023 at 10:59 pm

Clown

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@JJA1987 November 28, 2023 at 11:12 pm

Haas is the clown

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@grimplayz7565 November 28, 2023 at 11:45 pm

@@johnhaas2523he’s right just nascar fans want the cars to get destroyed instead of having legit races

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@toyotaecw November 28, 2023 at 10:56 pm

“There’s some gearing things.” Pretty sure slamming taller gears in and making the engines rev higher is more expensive than increasing horsepower…

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@markbenner1985 November 29, 2023 at 2:06 pm

When EFI came in it became more about the tune than mechanical. If we can take our street going Camaros, Mustangs, and Camrys to a tuner and make on par power with mostly stock components than a professional race team can.

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@redknightsr69 November 28, 2023 at 11:24 pm

I would love to see them try 900 HP at Richmond. If they can put on a 100 lap special and it’s memorable, then you found you answer

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@johnhaas2523 November 29, 2023 at 12:02 am

Never happening

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@coreychick749 November 29, 2023 at 1:19 am

meh, that’s kind of what got us here to begin with. We had an exciting All Star race in 2018 with a similar botched up package, and because the race was short and cut up into short runs, we didn’t get to see why this package is truly terrible and so NASCAR ran with it.

I don’t envy the position they’re in, but plugging their ears and doing nothing helps no one

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@boobsball November 28, 2023 at 11:39 pm

Miss a few years ago of guys going 210 into the corner down to 180. Driving the hell of it. Breaking track records nearly every week.

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@S.K.R.E.Inc. November 29, 2023 at 1:56 am

That was Auto Club, Michigan, and Atlanta pre-reconfig for a while. Now they all suck because of a reconfig or lack thereof

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@trevormcgarvey7237 November 29, 2023 at 12:10 am

Yes more horsepower! Been saying it since 2015 since they got rid of it!

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@zigzag7919 November 29, 2023 at 12:36 am

I think that there’s some sort of clause in one of their sponsorships that prevents them from increasing horsepower cuz it’s kind of strange that they won’t even consider it. they look for every other option except for increasing horsepower

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@coreychick749 November 29, 2023 at 1:10 am

I went to Charlotte for the first time in 2016 for the Bank of America 400. It wasn’t a great race by any shot of the imagination, but as someone who hails from New Hampshire, it was wild to see those things unleashed for the first time. Loudon is great in its own right, but its a different experience and type of racing.

I went again in 2021 to the Coke 600 and my LORD. The K&N pole time would have sat front row for the cup race. The race was awful and my favorite driver even won; the cars just snailed around the race track comparatively, it wasn’t fun to watch. I very legitimately will not make the trip back to a fast track until they get this horsepower figured out. Its not worth the time and money.

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@JaredR1996 November 29, 2023 at 1:45 am

It’s always funny to think that adding horsepower is one thing that NASCAR refuses to add. They keep finding ways around their problems with the Gen 7 car instead of owning up and tackling the issues head one. Just admit that you need to add more horsepower to compensate for the lack of racing on short tracks and road courses

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@walletracer9882 November 29, 2023 at 1:46 am

I feel like adding an ERS-style hybrid component in addition to the current baseline would be a fun change if they’re dead set on electrifying. It would theoretically give drivers another tool to nullify the difficulties of making passes in dirty air while adding extra power to the cars. It would likely take the form of regenerative braking, which would come into play the most at short tracks and road courses, coincidentally the tracks that need the added power the most.

Then again, if their excuse is money then this won’t become a reality anytime soon.

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@nascarsteve November 29, 2023 at 4:39 pm

I remember at the end of the ’14 season, when they announced the lower horsepower, Ryan Newman said, It’s all about that right foot. If you lower the horsepower, anyone can drive these things wide open. And thank you for the montage of the high horsepower days. I remember going to qualifying and races at Texas and without ear protection the hairs in your ears vibrate, there was no better sound than listening to that 900 HP scream.

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