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0:00 SHR Loses Sponsor
3:03 Enfinger's New Ride
4:37 More Horsepower May Not Be Enough
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The downfall of SHR in full effect now
Yup
Thank God
@@ariansmoviesSHR makes the right changes behind the scenes like simulator stuff Josh will be fine
@@johnhaas2523 I wanna see Josh Berry race for a while.
You mentioned McAnally’s team, but I’m surprised you didn’t mention Tyler Ankrum and Jack Wood joining MHR for ’24.
Prob because they’re so irrelevant it doesn’t really matter
@@shmeeve Thad Moffitt.
NASCAR trying to save teams money is like parents trying to save money on a baby by trying to avoid buying diapers.
They’re going to need diapers if they pump the horsepower up!
100%. Teams will always spend all they can. A cost cap is needed
There is no way to save money with a race car team. It doesn’t matter what form of racing, it’s all super expensive that’s why teams and sponsors are dropping out.
It’s not horsepower it’s torque
So SHR have now lost beer, bacon, and pizza. What a tragedy!
guess they’re having a grapefruit diet
Mann best comment of the day lol
I’m honestly surprised there isn’t a meme video about this……yet!
Like RealRadman mentioned after the Martinsville Fall race and KFB mentioned earlier in the season. Its the tires, they are too big and dont lay down enough rubber. Going back to the Gen 6 / Xfinity tires would be the best way to go. At the very least, make them grooved.
No that’s incorrect.
F1 used grooved tires from 1998 to 2008.
@@1200hpnextgen9everytime they use grooved tires (rain tires for example) the tires wear and theres noticeable fall off. What’s incorrect?
Reminder: we now have two engine manufacturers who say they would be able to add about a hundred hp, Roush-Yates said they could earlier this year
Something like 100 without changes, and more than that with pretty minor modifications, iirc.
I feel like Hendrick may also be able to do this easily, its just up to nascar to make the call
I’m calling it again, like I called it a year ago, if the charter gets ratified in permanently within the next deal with the teams and NASCAR SHR will sell a charter and JRM will go cup racing with that charter!
I actually was thinking Stewart would sell off his side after the season ended if Gene Haas could find another partner. I really don’t think Stewart is into the Nascar thing anymore and is just wanting to focus on drag racing now that he will be driving in top fuel.
that, and his competitor SR-X stock car series.
Eh, I don’t see SRx as direct NASCAR competition. It’s fun and all, and I certainly watched on yt the next day, but not apples to apples
Stewart Haas needs a makeover similar to what brad did for RFK
Maybe Kevin Harvick getting part-ownership of the team, SHH racing?
I say let the teams decide how much horsepower they want to provide to their drivers. More horsepower does not always equal faster lap times but, it is always more fun to watch and hear!
Richard Petty said not that long ago that the best way to improve the racing is up the horsepower, and he used 800hp as the number
I think 800hp is perfect!
@@miketwotwenty Same
I say 750 all around except drafting tracks. I’d love to see more off throttle time at intermediate tracks, but I understand that the aero is what keeps horsepower from being noticable.
I agree. An increase COULD help, but it needs to be more….much more. It’ll need to be 1100+ hp to make a big difference. Adding 100 hp isn’t going to do much to a car that is already running 150+ mph at the end of the straights(yes, I’m aware most tracks are higher in speeds, but its easy to think about for round numbers). Like you alluded to, the delta increase in speed vs HP added is not linear, it lessens the faster you go. There’s a few videos on here that get into it if you want to watch. And keep the drafting tracks down in speed to where they are at now. Can easily be done with the ECU’s.
Remember how the gen 4 cars would be vastly different at different tracks? Something akin to a ss car or rc car? That would be cool I think
I think they are secretly keeping it at 670 HP while they buy themselves time for Hybridization. When this happens, the aid of the electric engine will increase to 750 or more HP.
This car absolutely CAN work IMO, they just don’t have a package dialed in yet for this car because this is a completely new car that we have never seen before.
The Martinsville race in the fall was a huge step in the right direction on short tracks, We just need to continue exploring what does and doesn’t work for this car on a short track.
IMO, here are the things I think people should look at, including more horsepower. Because more horsepower would automatically aid all of these things to an extent. But the combination of all these changes with more power would possibly make it work twice as well.
Continue removing downforce off the car, especially the diffuser: The diffuser is making dirty air worse than ever on short tracks which are mostly single groove. We also saw in the Richmond test that when they took the diffuser off, the cars were able to Drive right behind each other without that dirty air being blown right at them in the middle of the corner. Also, I would recommend switching to a common flat splitter on the front to force less air under the car creating less negative pressure allowing for less downforce especially when a car gets hit, making it easier to move a car up when bumping from behind.
Tires: These tires that they raced at Martinsville in the fall were a huge step in the right direction, when rubber got laid down it made cars slide more especially when they got hit. I am on the opinion that NASCAR should maybe consider an Ultra Soft Bias Ply tire for short tracks. Bias Ply Tires have a ton less grip than a radial, but usually are more durable so a soft compound would be needed for more fall off. Plus Ryan Preece said that the Wheelen Modified Cars run a Bias Ply Tire and that tire has a lot of fall off despite the size. I think that’s an avenue worth exploring.
Brakes: Consider switching to a much Harder Brake Pad.
Dale Jr talked about this on his podcast, teams do not want to pay for a redesign of the braking system on this car. But implementing a rule about the brake pad being harder, would definitely caused the braking zone to back up more, Requiring more trail braking. But also would make the brakes last longer. We saw several brake failures at Gateway this year, and I think that problem would be minimized by switching to a harder brake pad.
Gears Ratios: Shifting is definitely a problem on short tracks, and I have no idea why NASCAR didn’t test a new gearbox for short tracks at Phoenix. But something I would recommend doing, that iRacing has been experimenting with on the Next Gen car on their Sim, is making top gear 3rd at Martinsville & Wilkesboro, 4th at Richmond, Phoenix, & Iowa, and 5th at Bristol & Dover.
Also, allowing more top RPM ~ 9,000 max before the braking zone, will allow for more acceleration out of the corner and burning off the rear tires more. I know you can drive the car harder into a corner in a lower gear, but with all the other changes I listed above I think that would back the corner up enough to where it would still create for a longer breaking zone.
And if they were to add say 100-150 more horsepower, it would make all these things more effective. They would be going faster down straightaway, making them need to brake even earlier.
On exit in the lower gear, it would light up the rear tires more. And it would allow for more acceleration off the corner when trying to pass somebody.
The diffuser was supposed to reduce the problem of dirty air, though. Not compound it.
@@TheHighRoad1748 what did was make a narrower wake, but it also made the wake way stronger if you were directly behind. That’s a huge part of the reason why the mile and a half raising has improved, especially on multi groove tracks. But on short tracks, where you don’t really need much downforce to begin with it certainly is part of the problem.
@@saltydalty0240The odd part is underbody aero like the diffuser is generally much less sensitive to dirty air in the first place. The entire reason Indycars are able to race so much more closely than something like F1 is the comparatively low amount of overbody aero, even with the 2022 regulation change. I agree with peeling off a good chunk of downforce, but I’m not sure the diffuser is the place to do it.
Horsepower vs. Tire Width should have similar trade-offs. And I don’t think coming down on tire width while leaving the sidewall the same (to leave room for the current break package) would require a redesign for the gen7 car.
It almost seems like NASCAR isn’t taking this seriously. I believe it’s a much bigger problem than how they’re treating it.
I read in an article that Hunt Bros is still going to sponsor Harvick in his late model races and will sponsor Keelan and Piper in their racing. And will keep sponsorship through KHI.
I think we are still at a point in this sport where the car advancement(99% of it) is further ahead of the engine. I don’t think adding 100-150 hp will do what we all hope it will. I think it needs to be more than that…somewhere north of 1100 hp. It’s not the hp alone that you need, it’s the torque to go along with it. What could be done for the current setup is to tune the exhaust to move the torque curve higher in rpm. That’ll make the cars a little spicier when throttle is applied. I think narrowing the tires is a good future update after extensive testing to validate the idea. As for what we have now, maybe look at tuning the exhaust to move the torque band higher in the rpm band. It could make the cars a bit spicier when throttle is applied. Another thing that could be done with some off-season testing is an F1 inspired grooved tire.
A funny realization that i had about the NextGen car situation is that SVG is leaving a series that trimmed downforce (Supercars) to one thats gained downforce in NASCAR. As much as I love the idea and thought process behind the NextGen car and the introduction of more downforce and mechanical grip to NASCAR, its clear something needs to be scaled back