Over the years NASCAR has changed just about every piece of what it is, from uniquely NASCAR things being changed to fundamental racing things being skewed. With that being said one of the biggest changes that has been fluid in recent years is the finish itself. Today we will look back at the evolution of NASCAR Overtime.
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What is your favorite form of NASCAR overtime?
When they ended the race under yellow
Joey Logano wins in Talladega 2015 season of Chase for the Playoffs (Broadcast live on NBC Sports)
I like todays version of OT. While some say it’s a gimmick or the unlimited attempts are stupid, we rarely see any more than 3. 1 was too little and the double file restarts made it better.
the one GWC or the 3 tries at overtime
@@dpra2827choose cone also makes it better since drivers choose where to start rather than having it be entirely position dependent
It’s crazy how overtime was made because of the meltdown that the Dale Jr fans had at Talladega in 2004 then it became one of the most hated things that’s ever happened in NASCAR(due to Talladega 2015). Talk about coming in full circle. Hypocrites being hypocrites.
might as well call it junior time
Need to say it later for the folks in the back who are hard of hearing.
They only liked it if Dale Jr was on the winning side of a situation, and raged when it went against them
I’m personally heavily in favour of overtime, but it probably shouldn’t be any more than 3 attempts.
That said, we wouldn’t have gotten that historic Xfinity Daytona finish where there was a 0.000 separation between the top 2.
That “one attempt” for thar 2015 Talladega fall race, was so frustrating and stupid. Still hate that race.
Yeah ending under yellow or the one attempt rule would basically be begging for drivers to pull a Harvick every chance they could without getting caught.
Especially when an attempt was waved off after a wreck on the restart and then Harvick intentionally wrecking the field made it worse.
OT = Wrecks
@seandamenacee4767 iirc, it was not only for safety after Austin Dillions crash from the July Daytona race, but it was to “balance the number of exciting finishes.”
So it was as if they were asking for a botched finish, and this is what we got.
I think what we currently have is the best possible overtime format a race could have, but then again, maybe one day it’ll get exposed just like every other system, but until that day comes I think we’ve got it good right now.
All they had to was make it a 5 lap shootout as overtime, 2 is too short
Did you watch the truck series finale this past year by any chance.
It already has been exposed. Endless overtime means endless wrecking. See the most recent COTA cup race, pretty much any superspeedway race, trucks, etc
@@whalesequenceyeah the truck series finale was pathetic but thats once in a blue moon type Overtimes.
We already crossed that bridge a long time ago, but to each their own.
Honestly I don’t mind the current system. The only change I would make is limiting it to 3 attempts at road courses and superspeedways. And if someone tries to pull a Harvick nascar should throw the book at them.
I wouldn’t limit it too 3 at Road courses though. Just limit it to 1 at Daytona Talladega and Atlanta.
One attempt at GWC is the best
Agreed, multiple GWC and drivers act stupid, and it just drags on forever…I’d much rather a race end at scheduled distance under yellow than to take 2 hours, 2 red flags and 3 GWC to finish, that’s just annoying.
The best version they had of this was 3 attempts at a GWC and the next flag ended the race
I like the 2010-15 3 GWC’s. I find it kind of weird that the reason cited why they changed it in 2015 was in response to the Austin Dillon crash, even though there was only 1 GWC that night/morning, and it happened as they were crossing the line to finish.
I agree
In 2013 Spring Talladega for both the Xfinity and the cup series race, they only did one attempt at overtime because of darkness instead of 3
There is no better option as far as overtime. I think the best thing to do is to get rid of unlimited attempts and go back to either one attempt or three attempts. Getting rid of it ain’t gonna work because people are gonna be upset about races ending under caution again.
I like how this is, with a slight tweak: If the caution comes out after the white flag, then, and only then, are they allowed to race back to the checkered, but once the winner takes the checkered, the field is frozen at that moment.
Some times the old scheduled distance worked out. 1999 Daytona 500.
As a fan of both F1 & Indycar in addition to NASCAR, I am very surprised that either series has yet to adopt the GWC finish. Indycar still has the racing back to the line rule in its rule book though I haven’t seen this in Indycar in almost 20 years. Racing back to the line largely ended after the death of Dan Wheldon due to how dangerous it is. Instead Indycar has just ended the race if there is a caution on the last lap. However in recent years Indycar has also introduced a race clock usually set around 2 hours meaning if the race can’t conclude within that time frame, everyone is given half points based on where they were when the clock reached zero or where they qualified in the case of races that don’t get started due to weather delays. F1 also uses the race clock but it rarely reaches zero in most cases as F1 also has both the virtual safety car & a safety car to make sure laps & the allotted race distance are still completed. The only time that F1 has had an issue with the race clock was at the Belgian GP a couple of years ago where the majority of the time was spent in the paddock due to terrible conditions after running only a couple of laps under the safety car & the FIA simply let the clock run out.
F1 can’t do GWC because of the no refueling rule. The closest thing they could do is to abuse the red flag rules like they did in Australia last year, but given how poorly it ended, I don’t think they’ll try it again soon.
They actually suspended the race clock for more than hour in Spa in 2021 citing force majeure, it’s just that visibility to start the race was never good enough. A better example of race clock messing up things is Suzuka 2022, as they could only do half ot the race (but to be fair, given how dark it was getting in the end, I think a red flag was near, clock or not).
Actually the no racing back to the line rule went into effect the following weekend at Dover in 2003.
Just make it one attempt at a GWC finish and no more attempts afterwards. Too many wrecks and crashes that could have been avoided if there was only one restart, especially if NASCAR is all about saving teams money then go back to one GWC only. I think you can bring back racing back to the line… as long as it is safe to do so. If a car crashes on the backstretch, that has no impact on getting back to the start/finish line so let them race back to the line in those situations. The 2021 Daytona 500 where McDowell won, the crash was behind them so let the leaders race back to the line. Would have been fun to see Chase & McDowell racing back to the line for the win.
“Gimmick racing, it’s gonna happen…” *That comment aged like fine wine*
I like what Dale Jr. said:
Do one attempt, just one, then leave
To avoid Newman’s wreck they should have thrown the caution for Elliott’s spin on the final lap
The red flag coming out to get a green finish can be traced back to the 1998 spring race at Richmond. Dale Jarrett fans can probably tell you how they felt about that.