The Phoenix Raceway is frustrating. Every year we go to this track twice, one of which being the championship race. There are some long term reasons that fans are upset about Phoenix Raceway like the racing itself, but others have emerged in recent years that could put the track on the verge of greatness had they changed just a few things. So why is Phoenix so frustrating?
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What are your opinions on the Phoenix Raceway?
I miss the old layout… *sniff*
Boring
Or are they mad because Toyota dominated?
It sucks
Phoenix is awful, it’s simply terrible, there has only been a handful of memorable races.
We want the grass back
That kinda gets rid of the chaos of the restarts, which is the best part of Phoenix currently…
@@hehe-IgoBRRRRYep. Unless your car is extremely fast, the restarts are your best chance to gain spots.
Move the championship race back to Homestead
The reason why it was moved here because people said they wanted it moved.
Be careful what you wish for.
Not impressed with Miami either
Phoenix isn’t a horrible track, but it’s not worthy of 2 races, let alone the Season Finale. The best part about Phoenix is the tunnel the teams drive under to leave the track.
Phoenix sucks
It’s a great track for early spring and fall weather, and has good attendance. Swap it with any round of 8 track for me
If the racing was better I think some fans would say maybe it’s worthy of hosting the finale.
I heard it from the grapevine that this season finally race at Phoenix will be the last one and move it possibly back to homestead-miami 2025.
Yeah its produced mediocre racing ever since the next gen era
Not to mention, with the start/finish line being where the backstreet used to be, it causes way too much chaos on starts/restarts. For example, the 2023 championship race for the truck series where it had 4 overtime attempts because of the chaos on the restarts
Yesterday’s race proved why Phoenix shouldn’t permanently be the season finale. 1 race is enough, and give the finale back to Homestead.
Yeah, I thought they were going to do a rotating finale. It just makes sense given this championship format because drivers specialize in different tracks. Now, they’re basically forcing every championship-contending driver to be good at Phoenix.
Homestead is just as boring@@frederickschulze8014
How appropriate The 20 & The 17 Finish 1-2 at the hands of The Christopher & Christopher Show Considering Yesterday was Matt Kenseth’s Birthday And That His 39th And Final Career Win Came at Phoenix in 2017
For a track that’s only a mile in length, we should not be having cars going like 10 wide. Maybe the racing would be a little better if they didn’t let them race all over the place at Phoenix and have more tight quarter racing. But beyond the spread out restarts and being a beautiful facility, there really isn’t much more to advertise about Phoenix. I don’t hate the track but Homestead just feels more natural as the season finale
Have to give them the horsepower back then.
@@soccerthrowback0664Toyota will never allow it. They’re the ones responsible for the low HP, high downforce packages because they bitched and moaned to NASCAR that they blew too many engines in 2014 rather than actually putting in the work to make reliable high HP V8 engines.
We. Need. Horsepower.
Can’t stress this enough it’s usually never the track thats the problem. Plus 5 gears meta is kinda stupid
The only time I will hate Phoenix will be the championship race. It’s not right for it. Homestead is the perfect track for finale. Still can’t believe they put in second race for round of 8
Agreed. Not every race can be a barn burner, but as a championship race, needs to be homestead since ATL is no longer a slick fast track like it was in the 90s
Homestead to me always reminded me of the old Atlanta before it got the facelift in 1997. It looked very similar.
@@evanwilliams6406 100% agree
Phoenix isn’t worthy of being the season finale. The drivers were even displeased with the short track package. Yet NASCAR doesn’t listen. Bring the finale back to Homestead.
Bring back the old car this car is pathetic…
@@jameszeigler9353it’s NOT
Phoenix isn’t a horrible track but it should only have 1 date and not the finale. Also I still think the package is more the issue rather than the track. It has potential to put on a good race
Modern Phoenix is a boring mickey mouse track with uninspiring flat turns. It needs a reconfiguration at this point
The track is due for a repave anyway.
Outside of restrictor plate racing, NASCAR needs to increase the horsepower, set general rules/limitations for car setups and leave the teams to it. All these different race packages and micromanaging how the teams need to setup their cars for different tracks is killing the racing.
It’s hard to blame NASCAR when everyone loved the first race or two with the Phoenix facelift. That’s probably why they decided to make it the finale track. But it has gotten stale, I’m onboard with that.
Plus the fact Phoenix had a photo finish after the first face lift.
My fix for Phoenix is either repave the track the same way it was before 2012 by getting rid of the progressive banking that was added in the turns, making the dogleg flat again, and bringing back grass/artificial turf, or go all out and increase the banking in the turns to make it drive more like an intermediate while still making the dogleg the same as pre 2012 and bringing back grass/turf. One of the worst aspects about Phoenix now outside of the racing is the fact that its just an asphalt jungle now with no character, bringing some greenery back would be a massive step in the right direction.
The track is certainly due for a repave anyway.
I didn’t even think the race was that bad for Phoenix standards. It’s put races on like this for years and is never going to change.