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What Is Going Wrong With Kyle Busch?

Kyle Busch may just go down as one of the best drivers in the history of NASCAR racing. With that being said the last few years have steadily fallen away from that standard with 2024 starting off on an awful note. So today, 15 races into 2024 we are going to look into Rowdy’s worst season yet and try to figure out the issues. What is going wrong with Kyle Busch?

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69 comments

@TheIceberg June 4, 2024 at 8:24 pm

Why do you think Kyle Busch has been in decline?

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@Tr0tterbwfc June 4, 2024 at 8:36 pm

The team isn’t the best, bad luck and age

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@BurnoutsByTheBay June 4, 2024 at 8:37 pm

Was starting to blame JUST the pit crew

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@bradleystratton516 June 4, 2024 at 8:38 pm

The new car

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@Gooeyburger86 June 4, 2024 at 8:38 pm

Team equipment

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@JJA1987 June 4, 2024 at 8:39 pm

Washed

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@Dupontman627 June 4, 2024 at 8:38 pm

Lack of practice since 2020 led to this guy’s downfall

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@justincampbell6256 June 4, 2024 at 9:17 pm

Absolutely it has!!!

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@alawalter918 June 4, 2024 at 9:52 pm

He doesn’t need practice.

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@speeddemonchris June 4, 2024 at 10:15 pm

And the next gen has nerfed him as well

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@79.camaro June 4, 2024 at 11:18 pm

It’s honestly so stupid that they don’t allow practice. Steve Phelps does NOT know what he’s doing

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@Jutho3121 June 4, 2024 at 11:53 pm

Doesn’t seem to be hurting the other drivers

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@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT June 4, 2024 at 8:39 pm

Lack of practice and racing for RCR’s Cup program is the problem.

I don’t blame him for being mad and frustrated (except him intentionally wrecking Stenhouse)

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@nascar4842 June 4, 2024 at 9:50 pm

He needs to get out of RCR. Even if (I have no idea how long his contract is), say Penske, 23XI, and MAYBE JGR if MTJ retires offer to buy him out. Toyota/JGR bought Chandler Smith out of a multi-year Kaulig Racing Chevy contract.

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@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT June 4, 2024 at 10:48 pm

@@nascar4842 Penske unlikely and Kaulig, no…

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@nascar4842 June 4, 2024 at 10:56 pm

@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT  I meant that Kaulig Racing had Chandler Smith signed on a multi-year deal when he joined the Xfinity Series and that Toyota and JGR bought Chandler out. I meant that if Kyle became a free agent, if a team wanted him bad enough, they would get him.

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@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT June 4, 2024 at 10:59 pm

@@nascar4842 but Kaulig’s Cup program sucks

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@nascar4842 June 4, 2024 at 11:02 pm

@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT  OH. Yeah, that would be a step in the wrong direction. The only other bold prediction that he could go is RFK. Depending on how if Brad wants to pursue Justin Haley or is able to get 2 charters.

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@austinemms9772 June 4, 2024 at 8:40 pm

As a lifelong Kyle Busch fan, I’ll tell you why: Father time. He’s nearly 40 and he hasn’t won in the playoffs since 2020. And without great equipment and his clutch nature of years past, he’s shown his age even more than before.

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@MoonRacing23 June 4, 2024 at 8:46 pm

Ur not a fan then. He still has the talent but this car is horrible and does not fit his style of driving (being loose) and making aggressive moves, which he can’t do because you can’t pass anybody

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@MCC-fo1oe June 4, 2024 at 9:01 pm

@MoonRacing23 bro what? Age absolutely is a factor. Does that take away from what he accomplished in his prime ? Certainly not, and it’s not like he’s horrible or anything but it does look like his championship contending days are behind him

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@crazybut6641 June 4, 2024 at 9:15 pm

I feel like people are quick to forget how big some of the hits NASCAR drivers take and how it can affect their health and performance short and long term. Short off-seasons, raising a family, running a race team and running as many races as Nascar let him for 20 years will takes it toll on anyone.

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@NathanChambers June 4, 2024 at 9:20 pm

@@MoonRacing23 Kyle always complains about not being able to pass with this car, but how many times have we seen other drivers start at the rear to start the race and by the end of stage 1 are top 10 or at least top 12? A LOT. It’s not as impossible to pass with this car if you’re fast enough. RCR equipment is just garbage. Guaranteed, if he had worked out something to stay at JGR, he would still be performing much better.

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@Weezy10580 June 4, 2024 at 9:41 pm

Harvick was dominating the series at the same age

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@TheCloudCreation June 4, 2024 at 8:48 pm

One damning thing I heard from the booth last race was that the 8 team ran the EXACT same set up that they won with last win at this race. I think that is an indication that RCR, or at least the 8 team, got lazy. They were fast as hell in 2022 with Reddick and the first half of 2023 with Busch. We all know how every single race, teams learn and get better, but for whatever reason, the 8 ran the exact same setup as last year, which means they did not get better when everyone else around them did. What if they are approaching every race with the same standard? They use what worked in the past instead of innovating and being faster than last time like so many other teams.

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@BraydenBunch58 June 4, 2024 at 8:53 pm

Richard just doesn’t care anymore

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@TheCloudCreation June 4, 2024 at 9:00 pm

@@BraydenBunch58 It’s possible it could come down to poor leadership. But ultimately, if you are a crew chief and are content with just running the same speed you did last year, then that’s a failure from the crew chief. You always have to strive to be better and faster. Coming to a race 1 year later with the exact same setup tells me the crew chief, war room at HQ, whoever it is that makes that decision, is content with running the same speed while everyone else around learns and gets faster.

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@toast4499 June 4, 2024 at 9:05 pm

They ran last year’s Hendrick setups at Richmond if I remember correctly

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@andrewmeyer4124 June 4, 2024 at 9:25 pm

Using what worked in the past and never innovating? That’s just RCR in general

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@parker838 June 4, 2024 at 8:49 pm

I always go back to Kyle Busch’s worst enemy is himself.

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@linhunnicutt6556 June 4, 2024 at 10:45 pm

True that.

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@HbombandFriends June 5, 2024 at 1:37 pm

That’s nothing new.

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@JediMasterIsaac June 4, 2024 at 8:49 pm

Every time KFB struggles, I always hear that one clip: “I suck just as bad as you!”

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@Amstercam0130 June 4, 2024 at 9:50 pm

Bruh. That was two weeks ago lol

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@nicksbits June 4, 2024 at 8:50 pm

In my opinion

1 lack of practice
2 bad equipment
3 anger and emotions
4 age he’s not young
5 next gen makes more teams competitive

All of this has all led to a decline in performance

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@NathanChambers June 4, 2024 at 9:07 pm

Yup, all those things really add up to work against him.

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@oktoday8323 June 4, 2024 at 9:40 pm

I wouldn’t call 39 old, but experienced. The problem is the new gen car. You can see it by the inconsistent runs by every driver, regardless of talent level. I do agree with your other assessments.

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@user-zq3iz3zn5m June 4, 2024 at 9:58 pm

OK, why have the younger guys been demoted to the xfinity scrubs. Why has Elliot, Gibbs, Truex, Suarez, and Chastain been in the toilet so much.

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@oktoday8323 June 4, 2024 at 10:36 pm

@@user-zq3iz3zn5m Its the car, the new generation car that sucks but looks good. Any change in the temperature outdoors throws off all settings made the night before the race. I can only say that all the drivers are suffering from the inconsistency of this new car. The owners determine where their drivers’ race. You left out two, 2-time champions Logano and Busch. The new car needs narrower tires, not the wide slicks and more horsepower, just for a start. The car was designed to let poorer race teams, and less talented drivers be competitive every week, making talent secondary.

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@user-zq3iz3zn5m June 4, 2024 at 10:46 pm

@oktoday8323 
Why not just blame it on covid. Are these guys just not capable off over coming the technology. Or has over engineering defeated ones education VS. the capacity to learn. Are you saying next year they will have conquered the new car … or is next year going to be the dawn of another new care and more rule changes. Maybe Matty D and Haley Deegan will have a chance.

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@Shay_Mendez June 4, 2024 at 8:54 pm

Thinking about it, what are the chances that Denny wants a 3rd charter for a guy like Kyle? I know there are options on the table, but what are the chances that 23XI pulls him from RCR?

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@dead_marker377 June 4, 2024 at 10:33 pm

I don’t think it’s impossible but pretty unlikely. It be interesting to see tho

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@bob3485 June 4, 2024 at 11:50 pm

Great idea. he needs to be back in a Toyota.

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@runrafarunthebestintheworld June 5, 2024 at 1:49 am

It could be possible but they’re probably looking at the future. Also keep in mind 23XI probably won’t get a third charter because the third car is gonna be Hamlin but he’s working on winning the championship with JGR first.

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@zachwalentiny June 5, 2024 at 3:10 am

I’d say the chances are zero because if rumors are true, Riley Herbst is going to 23XI. The rumor is his family is trying to help purchase the charter.

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@davisowen1113 June 4, 2024 at 9:01 pm

The problem with Kyle Busch is that he’s exactly the same racing driver as Sebastian Vettel. Both drivers liked oversteer under the condition that the car has rear end security. When they were given that, they’re just as good as any driver that came before them. Vettel’s security came from the blown diffuser from ‘09-‘13 and Kyle’s came from the fender flare from ‘06-‘18. While there was still flared fenders in ‘19-‘21, the 550hp wasn’t enough power for Kyle Busch to pitch the car into the slip angle he wanted in the middle of the corner (Johnson suffered from this as well but didn’t need nearly as much rear end security). Kyle tends to play catch-up with the throttle when the setup or car isn’t to his liking and feels the need to brake extremely late and get on the power early to the point that he’ll lift off the throttle on corner exists and kill his straight line speed (watch literally any track less than a mile and a half during practice). Vettel had a very aggressive V shaped racing line into many corners and while they both are short corner drivers (spending the least amount of time at the moment of rotation) they never were the best drivers to get the car settled in the middle of the corner which is why they both spun or lost the car in the middle of the corner more times than a Jeff Gordon or Alan Prost. Gordon and Prost never leaned on the tires as much as Vettel or Busch through corners and both had really good platforms (flat car) which produced a more evened out tire wear over a fuel run compared the Busch and Vettel. Although this a driving style analysis, RCR definitely has lost speed year over year in the next gen era and gets majority blame since they’re on the same tier as Hendrick. The lack of practice does mean that car feedback is limited for Busch (ironically I rate both Vettel and him on setup feedback) but they haven’t had a test in where they hit the setup for a specific type of track in awhile except for Gateway

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@slysupersonic June 4, 2024 at 9:17 pm

As a fan of both drivers. This is correct.

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@phil5513 June 4, 2024 at 9:57 pm

Wow, this is a great comparison that I never thought of. That makes a lot of sense.

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@quantumofconscience6538 June 4, 2024 at 10:20 pm

Yes. The quick version of this comment is…. the “new car” has cost Busch. No one has lost the “back end” more than Busch. Nobody. For many reasons, the “new car”…. sucks.

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@linhunnicutt6556 June 4, 2024 at 10:43 pm

Great analysis that’s totally on point.

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@TaylorBMcardle June 4, 2024 at 9:03 pm

From my observation as a fan of his, it’s a mix bag of what has gone wrong this season. 1) Pit road issues whether it be the crew, Randall making the wrong adjustments or Kyle speeding have affected the results. 2) Having no normal practice has hurt his ability to really dial in and work on the car like he was used to prior to 2020. He can still wheel a Truck or Xfinity car with no issues, but this Next-Gen car has presented some challenges mostly to the veteran drivers who don’t have a lot of tools to work with compared to the Gen 6 car. It has been frustrating to watch each week and it’s gotten to him badly. I want him to keep that win streak alive but unless changes are made, I don’t see it happening :/

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@SpeedStats June 4, 2024 at 9:19 pm

I’m surprised no one has mentioned Adam Steven, won both championships with Kyle Busch and was no longered paired with each other after 2020. Adam Steven has made the final 4 twice since they split so it just feels as if he has a bit of impact on Kyle’s decline as well.

Edit: Another thing to consider. When they started together in 2015 they made every Championship race until 2020, their only year they didn’t make it.

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@nascarsam6161 June 4, 2024 at 11:37 pm

Big Kyle Busch fan here, Adam Stevens definitely had a role in the prime of Kyle Busch’s career. Similar to Chris Gabehart for Denny Hamlin right now.

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@sonny_njr June 4, 2024 at 9:19 pm

People are quick to point out Busch’s age but Hamlin is 43 and Truex is 44 and they’re both competing at top level.

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@zachwalentiny June 4, 2024 at 10:01 pm

Truex has showed signs of decline though. He struggled in 2022, then had a bounce back last year before choking in the playoffs, and he’s been kind of quiet this season so far.

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@idkIamBORED June 4, 2024 at 10:19 pm

​@@zachwalentinyI would even say since 2020, he only won once that year and was in a must win situation at Martinsville and 2021 while better was nearly kicked out the playoffs in the round of 8 and got bailed out late

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@dalebrown2375 June 4, 2024 at 11:43 pm

I would put in the class as Elliot who has won one race in three years they are both about the same both lacking for wind

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@needsmetal June 4, 2024 at 11:47 pm

Martin was good till the end

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@runrafarunthebestintheworld June 5, 2024 at 1:43 am

That is because Hamlin is still trying to go for A championship where as Truex he has been flirting with retirement an it could be the last season we see him.

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@Joey_Amirault June 4, 2024 at 9:29 pm

I’m not trying to completely defend Kyle Busch, but some of the problem is his team. His cars are not as good as last year and his pit crew is constantly screwing him up. However, I feel the further we get into the season, the more of a problem it is on the driver.

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@StevenDNA86 June 4, 2024 at 9:31 pm

Kyle Busch recently said that after the halfway point of the 2023 season, like Elliott after the 2022 regular season, he really struggled with this next gen car and how to handle it.

I do think he still has the talent, but is just stuck in a really bad rut.

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@oktoday8323 June 4, 2024 at 9:32 pm

In my opinion, the reason veteran drivers fall off in the years since the newest generation car arrived, is because their vast experience was erased with the touchy-feely new car. This new car takes longer to learn after you had the other generation cars mastered. Not only has it sent the engineers for a loop, but all the teams. You can see that even the best younger drivers have inconsistent runs week to week. The car is really a lemon in its present rules package. Kyle Busch has just added to the problems with the car out of recklessness.

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@Weezy10580 June 4, 2024 at 9:39 pm

The same reason we all thought Harvick was only a good not a great driver while at RCR. It’s all about equipment and team chemistry.

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@scottleeper8332 June 4, 2024 at 9:47 pm

Talk to people in the industry they said that Kyle Bush was one of the best dialing in the car in practice in the last 20+ years. Also, no matter how good of a driver you are you can’t drive a slow car. lol I think it’s showing how much Childress racing has fallen off.

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@tylerpuszczewicz2535 June 5, 2024 at 4:07 am

RCR hasn’t been good in Cup since Dale died.

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@danielhowaniec6334 June 4, 2024 at 10:09 pm

1. He hasn’t figured out this car yet
2. RCR is a mediocre team
3. No practice

I don’t think he’s lost the ability to drive. I think you can look at guys like Hamlin and see that there was a dip in production for a couple years and then it ascended. Kyle will need better equipment to be the 2019 version, but that doesn’t seem like a possibility…unless Hendrick dumps Bowman.

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@jovazquez6102 June 5, 2024 at 1:50 am

RFK is likely getting a third charter. Maybe we see a surprise silly season move. This silly season is gonna be chaotic to say the least.

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@runrafarunthebestintheworld June 5, 2024 at 1:53 am

Except the difference is Hamlin still needs to win a championship though where as Kyle Busch already has enough.

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@StarryniteTrist June 4, 2024 at 10:25 pm

feel like its the pit crew. dont think he fell off. still wins in trucks multiple times so i dont think his racing senses are no longer tingling

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