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Lets gather 30 mil so we can buy an SHR charter for OOTG Motorsports
I’m down
Whos got a go fund me account
I’m down
Then we will need about another 10 million for everything else .
Stupid
I may be in the minority, but i don’t care for the charter system.
It grants the teams some protection, but it also increased the barrier to entry and has been a headache during these negotiations.
I agree!!!! Kills the business model. Not gonna work in a Motorsport ecosystem. NASCAR making themselves even more high class. Let me invest 30+ million dollars and get 0 return until I sell. Poor business model. I get it the idea of it but it’s not a stick and ball sport. Waaay more variables and factors involved.
I go back and forth on the topic. I don’t know if they’re good or bad, but I definitely know that permanent charters shouldn’t be a thing. Buying a charter needs to have a limit. One year, five years, whatever it needs to be. But not permanent.
It’s time for the teams to play hardball…. I personally think they have much more leverage…. NASCAR can go F itself… they are a block bully and run it like east coast mafia organization….. tell them to go pound sand….
NASCAR let the cat out of the bag with the charter system. It created a scenario that gave teams protections and with those protections has come an opportunity for a stake in ownership of NASCAR. NASCAR can not take that away now and expect to survive. It’s time that they accept it and turn these charters into the fractional equity pieces that they are. What these charters ultimately are are shares of NASCAR and it’s time they treat them as such. Both sides need to to think of it as a share of stock.
Man, NASCAR needs to figure this out, maybe lean more towards the teams
France family:
I have an idea
How about nascar as a live service with microtransactions.
Don’t give them any ideas
Don’t compare the France family to god damn EA lmao
@@KG_Dreamkiller As a nascar fan i have had to stop calling it “wrestling on wheels”and call it is as of today”Private equity figure eights”
I hate you right now for saying this
This is what 2 decades and 2 bad managements does to NASCAR, for ya.
With or without the stupid charters. There’s SOOOOOO MANY problems with NASCAR and the charters is one of them. Makes it worse than better
Yes, but last weekend races at Sonoma…. just watch the races, they are the best.
@@kg0173 that’s great but that wasn’t my point at all
Idk dude, I believe these charters bring some power to the teams and make them able to make some decisions, taking power away from the France Family. Taking power from them is great because the way they have been running this sport is terrible…
@@guilhermericco631 idk dude, these charters are exclusives that only the rich and big teams can afford while the small teams continuously have to fight to race in the Daytona 500, and never see a full entry list outside the 500 and even Dega if lucky, and charters are stupidly expensive…. It’s also not the right away to create a team from the ground up as well.
Whatever crap NASCAR continues to get, they deserve it because this is 2 decades of garbage management and 2 decades of bad changes.
It’s so interesting how the narrative surrounding charters has seemed to change. They seemed to be very unpopular at first, and now the conflict between NASCAR and the teams has changed things up a bit with fans’ opinions. I personally don’t think charters should be a thing
The France’s are used to complete and absolute power. No driver’s unions, little say from teams on how the sport actually operates. NASCAR has produced a great product overall the 76 year history, but I think they are stagnant and outdated in their actions of how to grow the sport in the 21st century. I don’t believe in dictatorships in government or sports. I want to see NASCAR move in the direction of how other sports operate between franchises and a governing body. The France family seems like they are going to greed themselves into the grave.
It’s not going to change either It’s going to be dividing conquer and take it or leave it and If owners don’t like the deal that’s been presented now they’re not going to like the next offer Jim France sends them and The entire idea is to get them to sign the deal that like the best even if don’t like it especially 23xl
The thing is, NASCAR effectively created this monster, and now it’s to late to turn back. You get rid of the charter system and it could end up bankrupting the teams (especially the smaller teams) in the long run. Then you have NASCAR wanting to potentially own their own charters, which possess a problem as you have some fans shouting “NASCAR IS A RIGGED SPORT”, and them owning charters is only going to fuel that even more than what it is now! This could get really ugly if this keeps going!
Jim France wasn’t CEO and chairman at the time or Steve Phelps president so nice joke
@@johnhaas2523 Who gives a rip who the CEO was at the time the charter system was created! The point is, all of of this is still NASCAR’s doing, regardless of who the CEO was at the time! They created all of this and now they’ve effectively dug themselves a hole that quite honestly I’m not sure they can get out of!
@@randallellison6421 agreed nascar did this to themselves a long time ago.
I used think nascar was planned like wrestling
Its gonna get ugly regardless.
Hey if you’re going to the truck race at Nashville, make sure you get an interview of Clint Bowyer, after the race, and say, “How’s that hot rod!”
The France Family owning a charter is almost a safety net. Imagine SHR sells all 4. But only 3 teams purchase. A member of the France Family can now purchased back the charter and run a team. It works in IndyCar. It works in IMSA. The specific charter is still being purchased and sold on the free market.
Makes business sense to be an option.
Boy, if only some of us saw some possible issues with the charter system and voiced it before it was implemented.
Haa !
Been there, done that – and I still have the souvenir T-shirt!
@@twoblacklabs904 the indy tshirt or the CART tshirt?
Gee I wonder why Tony Stewart is closing his race shop.
Cause they can’t race for top 10s anymore let alone win
@@Staysick17 That’s what a Bruins fan would say
@@marcforget33 shr doesn’t have good equipment it’s the truth alot Bruin’s haters lol
@@Staysick17 If that was a reason to close the race team Rick Ware would’ve closed years ago
@@marcforget33 maybe he should he’s probably losing money anyway
Unlike stick and ball leagues is NASCAR makes the ball, owns the courts and those that come to play can’t go home with the ball.
charters should not be a thing. they NEVER should have been a thing.
You win dumbest comment of the day.
True, but it’s to late now. NASCAR made those owners spend 20-30 million bucks to get one, and now they wanna get rid of them ? Nope, that ain’t gonna work. If NASCAR wants to dump the charter system, then they can write a check to every team that bought them
@@VladimirBlarp agreed
@@VladimirBlarp true. they opened padora’s box, but they should have left it closed. while i do feel for the teams that bought one, they have never said they would be a permanent thing, so that’s a little on the teams at that point.
@@justinwilliford7151 It was initially done for purse money. Non chartered teams get much smaller payouts than chartered teams get
It’s already getting close, but the teams are trying to set things up how it is in F1, they want to have the power to decide who can and can’t compete with them. NASCAR is the ultimate example of “if it’s not broke, don’t fix it.” they had the world and they threw it all away.
Yep. They really did.
On the one hand I am worried for the sport, but on the other hand I’m glad NASCAR is getting punished for a stupid idea. They get away with too many.
Tony is brilliant getting out.
Hahaha
Tony saw the path that the current NASCAR leadership is taking and punched the ejection seat button before a crash took him out. A wise decision to exit on his own terms.
No hes not. Hes lazy
Tony is somewhere laughing right now with all this chaos and confusion lol
He’s happy to not have to deal with it and having more fun enjoying life. Tony I don’t think likes Jim France 1 bit not that he and Brian got along all the time
Nascars leadership is destroying NASCAR.