@@michaelcrane2475 yeah and it damaged the sport so badly that Indycar is now essentially the 3rd most popular motorsport in America and even that is potentially up for debate
it nearly killed american open wheel racing and before that Indycar was the most popular motorsport in america
NASCAR may be that right now but its ratings and relevancy aren’t what it used to be
in its current state NASCAR cannot afford a split or at least one that was as long as Indycar’s
Cliff Stewart a NASCAR owner in the 70’s and 80’s commented one time that NASCAR was the only circus in town where the clowns paid to be in the show. Nothing has changed.
@@bonesdoes6142 Nobody said anybody was making them participate. They have a right to be upset if they don’t like the way the sport is going because it is a long-term investment for most successful teams.
That would be interesting if it were a circus or anything like a circus.
The product is entirely different.
People race because they want to and they love it. It’s supposed to be expensive
honestly….I would be real interested in this, like more interested then the top guy. get to know the small guys and gals that are just trying to make it, just trying to get to the next week and keep doing what they love
@@RippingItAllSportsCardsThe team owners said they aren’t. The teams opened thier books for NASCAR and the tracks to see but NASCAR and the tracks have refused to do the same.
@GiveMeLibertyOrGiveMeDeath147August 5, 2024 at 10:10 pm
@@RippingItAllSportsCardsthe teams and drivers. Nascar’s revenue sharing with the teams is peanuts while Nascar and the tracks (mostly owned by Nascar) are making money hand over fist.
the netflix show got a few of my friends into nascar, so i’d definitely be sad to see it pared down/disappear without enough access to teams. it seems like it’s good for other motorsports fans too. i don’t like seeing people saying ‘don’t care—didn’t watch’ because it’s not for you, really. it’s a really great intro to the series imo and beats out drive to survive in just about every department… 23xi was the perfect team to follow for the first season
I had a friendly back and forth with a co-worker that was a huge Petty fan in that era. When Boston Ventures bought into Petty Enterprises, I always called them Boston Vultures. He didn’t like it but knew it was true.
They “lose” money after taking EXORBITANT salaries. They’re all filthy rich, clearly. The “losses” are basically tax evasion. Thank the lawyers and lawmakers, source of all the world’s issues.
not all teams are in the series to make a profit in the traditional sense. some have never made a profit but have made that up in other areas that access to NASCAR provides. There are many reasons for people to want to own a NASCAR team and those reasons are varied and vast.
Remember not too far back in the 90’s when Nascar was about filling a field of the 43 fastest cars with a straightforward points/driver-owner payout system.
Now there’s charters, maintaining a politically correct media/social presence (maintaining good face with sponsors), playoff waivers and other factors drivers/teams have to worry about that are not “physically” part of the on track racing.
You hit the nail on the head. Yes. So correct. Need drivers wrenching cars, owner-drivers, (like rudd and DW in the past) 50+ cars trying to make the Daytona 500.
@@RippingItAllSportsCards It might not survive 75 more with the way these negotiations are going. I’ve never seen a professional sports league with this much disfunction between teams and management and you don’t think that has anything to do with NASCAR being family owned?
@@JC-zq8vk You’ve hit the nail on the head. Contrast Nascar to the NFL where Goodell works for the team owners and their revenue sharing agreements work very well. For Nascar to grow, the France family needs to re-organize the structure.
Dale Jr has said that he doesn’t want to invest the time it would take to run a cup team the right way. He would rather spend the time w his family. He made the comments on his pod cast maybe a month or two ago
What did Toni Breidinger do? Oh thats right she got lapped in the first part of the race and didnt run much better after that. She didnt put on anything at all. Give credit to the ones who did and it wasnt her. Shes as big of a joke as fallie deegan is maybe even a bigger one.
Blocking sovereign investment is a very good thing. Sportswashing is a way for authoritarian regimes to buy good publicity and engage in soft propaganda to paint themselves as something better than they are. It keeps NASCAR’s hands a little cleaner and doesn’t invite media controversy and/or needing to suddenly dump sovereign investors for something they do.
Nascar has become a tug of war billionaires vs. multimillionaires. Remember we, the fans, buy the tickets, buy driver, team, owner and nascar merchandise, purchase sponsors merchandise or services (especially a drivers fan base), plus untold other incidentals. You want new fans? Start by giving them what they want and not herd them because you know better. Nascar needs to remember what and who brought them here. Talk rather than blame. Let me know how that works out.
@heyogie3840 he won Race 2 of the weekend although in race 1, he finished 1st buthad a 5 second penalty for contact and ended 4th, race 3 he fought to keep the lead but with 5 minutes to go he lost the lead and tried to fight it but ultimately finished 3rd.
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Can NASCAR and the Teams just get this crap figured out bruh I just wanna watch racing cmon
THEY NEED TO GET THE DEAL DONE! I’m starting to get a little upset that they aren’t agreeing . They better get it done soon
Me freaking too
may get to the point where some of the teams might say screw it and go make their own racing league. very small chance but not impossible
Where do they broadcast world of outlaws?
@@jamesmcallister8124Why not? Indycar did it.
@@michaelcrane2475 yeah and it damaged the sport so badly that Indycar is now essentially the 3rd most popular motorsport in America and even that is potentially up for debate
it nearly killed american open wheel racing and before that Indycar was the most popular motorsport in america
NASCAR may be that right now but its ratings and relevancy aren’t what it used to be
in its current state NASCAR cannot afford a split or at least one that was as long as Indycar’s
Might as well just call it a charter disagreement at this point
True true
Good point!
Cliff Stewart a NASCAR owner in the 70’s and 80’s commented one time that NASCAR was the only circus in town where the clowns paid to be in the show. Nothing has changed.
That’s a good quote
Nobody is making them participate…
@@bonesdoes6142 Nobody said anybody was making them participate. They have a right to be upset if they don’t like the way the sport is going because it is a long-term investment for most successful teams.
Geoff Bodine won CUP rookie of the year driving for Cliff Stewart in 1982 beating out Mark Martin
That would be interesting if it were a circus or anything like a circus.
The product is entirely different.
People race because they want to and they love it. It’s supposed to be expensive
Nascar full speed season 2: staring Timmy Hill BJ Mcleod David Starr Josh Bilicki
Don’t forget TBD!!!
honestly….I would be real interested in this, like more interested then the top guy. get to know the small guys and gals that are just trying to make it, just trying to get to the next week and keep doing what they love
Now that’s funny right there.
Could we see Morgan Shepherd in a Cup car again?
Nascar just signed the most lucrative tv deal in its history. Its time for them to cough up some money for these teams.
Exactly
Who said they aren’t?
@@RippingItAllSportsCardsThe team owners said they aren’t. The teams opened thier books for NASCAR and the tracks to see but NASCAR and the tracks have refused to do the same.
@@RippingItAllSportsCardsthe drivers. Are you not paying attention? It’s why there is an issue they are trying to negotiate.
@@RippingItAllSportsCardsthe teams and drivers. Nascar’s revenue sharing with the teams is peanuts while Nascar and the tracks (mostly owned by Nascar) are making money hand over fist.
the netflix show got a few of my friends into nascar, so i’d definitely be sad to see it pared down/disappear without enough access to teams. it seems like it’s good for other motorsports fans too. i don’t like seeing people saying ‘don’t care—didn’t watch’ because it’s not for you, really. it’s a really great intro to the series imo and beats out drive to survive in just about every department… 23xi was the perfect team to follow for the first season
Well said
This sounds like a repeat of 2007/08 when a bunch of investors bought Petty and Evernham.
I had a friendly back and forth with a co-worker that was a huge Petty fan in that era. When Boston Ventures bought into Petty Enterprises, I always called them Boston Vultures. He didn’t like it but knew it was true.
@@bobbbobb4663 bought in and immediately fired Kyle Petty as CEO and shortly after kicked him out of the 45 car
So, team owners say they are losing money every year and investors are looking at that and saying I want some of that? Something doesn’t add up.
no it doesn’t. if the teams really are losing that much money, they wouldn’t stay open PERIOD.
They “lose” money after taking EXORBITANT salaries. They’re all filthy rich, clearly. The “losses” are basically tax evasion. Thank the lawyers and lawmakers, source of all the world’s issues.
not all teams are in the series to make a profit in the traditional sense. some have never made a profit but have made that up in other areas that access to NASCAR provides. There are many reasons for people to want to own a NASCAR team and those reasons are varied and vast.
@@ChuckHickl key word is “traditional sense” they ARE making money somewhere or they wouldn’t be doing it.
Screw NASCAR. The teams need to be allowed to have charters. I hope the teams really screw NASCAR next year.
Remember not too far back in the 90’s when Nascar was about filling a field of the 43 fastest cars with a straightforward points/driver-owner payout system.
Now there’s charters, maintaining a politically correct media/social presence (maintaining good face with sponsors), playoff waivers and other factors drivers/teams have to worry about that are not “physically” part of the on track racing.
You hit the nail on the head. Yes. So correct. Need drivers wrenching cars, owner-drivers, (like rudd and DW in the past) 50+ cars trying to make the Daytona 500.
@@SniperTrader7733by gone era such is the way of life
I liked the old Nascar where there was just racing.
Wish they would bring back points for leading a lap and leading most laps
@@devildoc12183agreed
This is why NASCAR being owned by a family is a problem.
Ita survived 75 years
@@RippingItAllSportsCards It might not survive 75 more with the way these negotiations are going. I’ve never seen a professional sports league with this much disfunction between teams and management and you don’t think that has anything to do with NASCAR being family owned?
@@JC-zq8vk You’ve hit the nail on the head. Contrast Nascar to the NFL where Goodell works for the team owners and their revenue sharing agreements work very well. For Nascar to grow, the France family needs to re-organize the structure.
Ah yes like a bunch of stockholders making the decisions is gonna be any better
Dale Jr has said that he doesn’t want to invest the time it would take to run a cup team the right way. He would rather spend the time w his family. He made the comments on his pod cast maybe a month or two ago
And Kelly also said that to the Kenny Wallace show
If you ask me that’s proof NASCAR’s business model is broken if Dale Jr don’t want a Cup team!
I think Dale jr and Kelley, after their dealings with Theresa, would proceed with caution in regards to outside investers.
The ARCA race was really good, Isabella Robusto and Toni Breidinger put on one hell of a good show…..
What did Toni Breidinger do? Oh thats right she got lapped in the first part of the race and didnt run much better after that. She didnt put on anything at all. Give credit to the ones who did and it wasnt her. Shes as big of a joke as fallie deegan is maybe even a bigger one.
If you guys don’t have Flo Racing it’s worth the money. Cars Tour. Lucas oil late models. High limit. Something great on every night almost.
@TyeWills Amsoil Off Road is Great on Flo! Wyatt Miller two second place finishes in his first two races!
They also post the races (some at least) on their YouTube channel
Blocking sovereign investment is a very good thing. Sportswashing is a way for authoritarian regimes to buy good publicity and engage in soft propaganda to paint themselves as something better than they are. It keeps NASCAR’s hands a little cleaner and doesn’t invite media controversy and/or needing to suddenly dump sovereign investors for something they do.
Nascar has become a tug of war billionaires vs. multimillionaires. Remember we, the fans, buy the tickets, buy driver, team, owner and nascar merchandise, purchase sponsors merchandise or services (especially a drivers fan base), plus untold other incidentals. You want new fans? Start by giving them what they want and not herd them because you know better. Nascar needs to remember what and who brought them here. Talk rather than blame. Let me know how that works out.
It’s actually more accurate to say it’s billionaires against billionaires and a few multi millionaires at the back end of the pack.
I think Suarez deserves some recognition for his weekend win too. He’s now won a race in 3 different Nascar series this year.
Agreed and he’s the 1st Nascar driver to win in 3 different countries hosting Nascar
Wait i wasn’t informed of this what die he win?
@heyogie3840 he won Race 2 of the weekend although in race 1, he finished 1st buthad a 5 second penalty for contact and ended 4th, race 3 he fought to keep the lead but with 5 minutes to go he lost the lead and tried to fight it but ultimately finished 3rd.