The return of NASCAR meant the return of controversy, picking up right where NASCAR left off at Indianapolis. At the Richmond Raceway Austin Dillon was in a "do or die" scenario to save his season. in this he was involved and instigated incidents with both Joey Logano and Denny Hamlin. So with that I want to follow up my live stream last night and give more of my more concise thoughts on this incident, NASCAR culture, and the NASCAR Playoffs' implications in all of this. Let's talk about the Austin Dillon Richmond debacle.
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What is your take on the finish at Richmond?
I’m now a Dillon fan to say the least
points penalty. im mainly mad bc i need buescher to get in the playoffs and this doesnt help!
A huge bubble just got burst
Austin Dillon has no talent
It was awful but Logano did the same thing at Darlington a few years back
Yes, what Dillon did was pretty dirty. Yes, this is what NASCAR’s system forces drivers to do. Both statements are correct. But don’t just blame them, blame Stenhouse for wrecking himself and Preece with 2 laps left and the race almost decided.
Idk why everyone blame Stenhouse when it was obviously on Preece
Idk why everyone blames preece when it was obviously stenhouses fault
I don’t blame either of them, I bet they both hate Dillon as much as everyone else in the garage. Nobody wants to see him win.
Preece turned in on ricky
Stenhouse and Preece were just following their roles in the race script.
I personally don’t think that Austin was 100% at fault. It’s mostly on overtime and the playoffs/win and you’re in
Hate the game not the player. I get it
@@ratchet2003”hate they player not the game” until someone brings up 2018 martinsville…
Joey does the same thing
He lost the race on the restart because he got no skill. It’s 100% on him.
Wonder if Dillon winning the championship would cause nascar to get rid of the playoffs
Blaney won one their basically the same that shoulda
No they would triple down on it
@@Me181 Blaney is good for at least one win and 15-20 top 10s a year, Dillon is averaging one win every 2 years and less than 6 top 10s a year. They’re not even close to the same
@@kingofrunescapepking ya true but both kinda overhyped
Not even if they were threatened at gunpoint would they even budge. This is what NASCAR wants.
At Kansas, Kenseth had just thrown a block on Logano who had a run. Then in the corner, Joey was right on Kenseth’s bumper on entry and he didn’t cut him any slack because of the block. There was no lunging 4 car lengths. So, to say it was the same is just not factual and the comparison is a bad one because the entire situation was different. People making this argument are using a false equivalence, which is a logical fallacy.
I agree
@@OBG791 could you use the same logic for what Joey did to Truex at Martinsville in 2018 or or to Byron in 2022 at Darlington would you consider that be different? I’m not trying to start an argument, I’m just asking you a question.
@@Bidens_Battle_Box Thank you finally someone says it
If Hamlin or Bubba did this to any of Hendrick drivers, people would demand suspension until 2025.
But since it was done to Hamlin and Logano, then “its just hard short track racing”.
NASCAR fans are stupid and biased
Exactly
That’s literally the double standards which is stupid.
This.
I think most people still don’t like this, it just wasn’t as blatant as what Hamlin or Wallace have done in the past, nor is he a repeat offender like those two, so Apples to oranges
It really sucks that this stupid playoff format tarnished what otherwise was probably one of the best next-gen short track races up until now. If Steve Phelps really meant that this is the most “legitimate” way to crown a champion, someone clearly needs to go back to school and relearn the terminology of “legitimate”.
Steve Phelps doesn’t seem like an idiot, though, so I say he’s a liar. And it’s not like this is the first time NASCAR has lied about anything; nor will it be the last.
Would the situation be different if this was under the season long points format? Probably and probably not given the situation that Austin Dillon was in. As I said in my Livestream yesterday, this was the type of drama that NASCAR wanted, and they unfortunately got it once again. Which is why, NASCAR has Got to overhaul the points system ASAP, because it’s gonna get worse and worse and worse if they stick with the “win and you’re in” stipulation.
Honestly, hate the game, not the player, but yes, it was still not cool on Dillon’s part.
Honestly, yeah. That’s not something that gets talked about a lot. Everyone wants to blame the format because “PlAyOfFs bAd” but a win is a win, and if you have a driver who is rarely up front, they’re probably going to do whatever it takes if there is no precedent against it, regardless of the points format.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – the 2011-2013 point system was the best method we had. It gave a ‘reset’ in points NASCAR wanted towards the end of the season, while still allowing drivers to have a bad race or two without having their championship hope nuked, it promoted winning (WITHOUT deleting an opponent to do so), didn’t allow a guy 30th in points a ‘guaranteed’ spot in the Chase, and above all else still allowed drivers who ran consistently a reasonable chance at the title.
I know for a fact we’ll never get the old Winston Point system back, and while I can hope they may drop the playoffs and stop throwing the yellows for stage breaks, I know it will never happen unless there are major changes in who runs the sport. As you said, NASCAR has joined many other series in the pursuit of entertainment instead of trying to find who is legitimately the best.
For me personally it was the 2004-2006 system. Only the top-10 qualified, so it was very much a possibility for some big names to miss out (Like Gordon in 05 despite winning the 500 and Stewart as reigning champion in 06). You needed to be pretty consistent and fast to win a title and it gave NASCAR arguably its best title fight of the 21st century (2004)
@@eggselent9814As many as 15 drivers could qualify for the Chase in 2004 if they were close enough to the threshold. While that never happened in the Gen 4 era, that absolutely could happen in the Next Gen era.
@@eggselent9814 That was also a damn good era.
Yeah I get after 2003 NASCAR thought it was a good idea to add a “playoffs” and it was working fine until 2014 came around. Now everything is getting worse.
I prefer the points system they used that ended in 2003.
The only reason everyone isn’t unanimously against this is because Hamlin and Logano were on the receiving end. If Bubba did this to Larson and Elliott people would want him to be kicked out of motorsports permanently
Bubba doesn’t even have to do anything and everyone still would want him to be kicked out. Heck, he doesn’t even have to be on the track.
People conveniently forget objectivity.
For real. All the comments I’ve been seeing are about Hamlin and Logano and their past. It’s textbook victim blaming. This incident has brought out the clowns, started by a clown.
This. This is my opinion 100%
This format really brings out the absolute worst in drivers. We don’t need this
No, it just brings out the worst in Austin Dillon.
I love stock car racing but this season has been NASCAR losing their legitimacy almost every race. It’s really sad and I wish they’d stop appealing to people that don’t give a damn about racing.
@@acog_quarks8753 this is probably the best season NASCAR had in a bit
This was the best race I’ve watched in years
@@YankeeDoodle2 you haven’t watched a lot of races then
We continue to see the double standards of this fanbase. Everyone loves rubbing racing/contact racing until they actually see it then they mald about it. Everyone says the drivers are stale/boring then everyone malds when blaney loses it on the radio/screams at something hamlin says on actions detrimental. Everyone says they want drivers to solve it in the garage area/on the track then complains when they see it
Pretty much yep
You think that was rubbing is racing? Did you graduate high school?
It depends on who caused it and who were victims. Imagine if it was happened to Larson, Byron or Truex. Fans would go wild. Joey and Denny are the reason why people get over this situation, which is pretty delusional as well.
@@JeffinNC
It was
What’s sad about this is even if they do take the win away from AD
I guarantee you that this final lap Debacle will be used in commercials and ads for the nascar playoffs. I GUARANTEE IT.
Nascar loves this sh*t cause it gets people talking and creates “Controversy”.
Overtime’s,Playoffs,Stages,Lucky dogs it’s all there to manufacture this Bulls*it and it’s annoying.
Im not even mad at Dillon he did what he had to do to win cause nascar set the precedent of “Win at all cost” there’s no real rule for this crap.
Damn I didn’t know people were against the lucky dog rule, I thought that it’s a honestly kinda good one
If Dillion did this to Chase Elliott or Kyle Larson the fanbase would demand he be suspended.
Exactly
I want him suspended. I don’t care what NASCAR wants, we can’t pick and choose who gets to get away with dumping drivers. NASCAR needs to UPHOLD THEIR OWN RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR EVERYONE
@@LeftyGretzky
This wasn’t in retaliation
@@LeftyGretzkyI understand but you also need to take in the fact that while on pit road JOEY LOGANO NEARLY HITS HIS WIFE AND INFANT DAUGHTER INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM
I don’t agree with how Dillon handled Hamlin, but Lagono got a taste of his own medicine
I don’t remember Logano wrecking someone from 20 damn feet back
@@EndlessFlame1 short memory?
Logano did this once like 15 years ago and had the win taken away lol
I did gain a little respect for Denny Hamlin last night. While Joey went out and acted like he’s a perfect angel that’s never dumped or spun anybody, Denny on the other hand, toed a very fine line, where he’s obviously upset because it happened to him,but he also knows he’s gotten away with a few himself, so he stops short of condemning Dillon, and instead points at NASCAR and the lack of clarity to the “rule”.
“I can’t throw stones from inside MY glass house” was as brutally honest as a driver could be under those circumstances
Yeah, as a Joey fan I think he acted a bit immature. I don’t like Denny Hamlin that much but I have respect for how he handles everything.
Actually yeah denny did have a good interview. I never understood the hate for him he races hard like we wanna see. Logano tho WOW
Either get rid of the “win and you’re in” or get rid of the green, white, checker OT. Dillon had the race won easy but a wreck in the back ruined his win, so he went and took it back.
If NASCAR is going to penalize Austin Dillon, they shouldn’t promote the finish in commercials
But you know they will. They still use Kenseth and Logano for both Kansas and Martinsville.