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NASCAR hits Daniel Suarez with a fine for post-race contact at COTA, and expresses their disappointment with the National Motorsports Appeals Panel's decision on the Hendrick Motorsports case.
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Tbh outside of HMS and its fans (like me), I’m not sure anyone is happy about the outcome.
Yup (Kyle Busch fan)
I’m an HMS fan but even I wanted the penalties to stand because if they broke the rules I want NASCARs authority to be respected. I don’t want there to be ANY suspicion of bias to the teams.
The points are the only thing that hurts the teams. The points should stand or none of it should stand.
It would be nice to know what Hendrick actually did instead of having to speculate. That would help me form an opinion.
Yeah, I’ll admit, as a Bowman fan I’m completely biased, and I literally jumped for joy when I saw the penalty was repealed. I don’t really know enough about NASCAR’s rules and regulations to judge whether or not the penalty was valid, and I’m not objective enough to come up with a good choice. It is what it is, and I’m happy Bowman is back in the points lead.
Love HMS, but their penalty should’ve stood.
With NASCAR, the ACTUAL corporate company, that’s not the Appeal Program, not being happy that Hendrick won, that should show that they are not fully biased with Hendrick.
Yeah, Hendrick Haters can be stupid at times.
I am astounded how many people do not understand that NASCAR doesn’t run the appeal program…
IF NASCAR did run the appeal program that would be the equivalent of having a Prosecutor be the Judge, Jury, Executioner, and Appellant Court Judge all at once.
@ChaseTPS ppl genuinely dislike Hendrick Motorsports just cuz they have an actual fanbase and have likable drivers
@ChaseTPS not everyone cherry-picks and follows the crowd. Some people decide to go their own way. Doesn’t make them stupid.
Yeah… Fully agree with the HMS situation
If they HMS has hard evidence, revoke it all. If they break the rules, don’t change a thing
Honestly it sounds likely that it was an issue from Nascar’s own Single Source Provider shipping out parts (louvers) that were poor quality and not built to spec per Nascar’s own specifications.
I can see why the points penalty was dropped because this is Nascar’s own supply issue problem. Hendrick was given crappy parts. And in Chad Knaus’s own words, he tried to contact Nascar about the parts issues directly to Nascar and got nowhere before it was time to race the weekend.
Yes 100% right, most dont or wont see that its just that simple, making a mountain out of a molehill.
That doesn’t matter, because the team still modified the part without NASCAR’s permission. If I was a team owner and didn’t get an answer in a sufficient time I would simply just deal with it and race. Then raise hell about it in interviews.
The rules are black and white, don’t break them if if you think it’s for the right cause. In Hendrick did it the way I mentioned this wouldn’t have been an issue. They forced the issue, NASCAR was going by the book.
This is 100% grade A BS
The 35 other teams don’t seem to have an issue with the parts every weekend.
That’s what I heard as well. The more NASCAR tries to level the playing field the more there’s not going to be parity, in other words the more things change the more they stay the same.
Appeals process should be transparent and open to the public. Period.
Agree. We should be able to see Hendrick passing money to the panel for a favorable outcome.
It’s their sandbox so they make the rules and decide if it’s public or not. So I guess it’s not public huh??
Start your own Racing Series…. They just stole $400 Large from Rick Hendrick for buying their (NASCAR’s) Crappy Cars from a Car Dealer -Ironic isn’t it?
Its not open for a reason
@Chuck Howard we have no proof that that is the case
Hi Eric, The fact that Hendricks had communication with the powers that be that they had an issue with the sourced parts and Nascar allowed them to make changes to get them to fit. Then at the track they went through a totally voluntary inspection where the vents were found at issue. Here is what I am trying to say. If the sourced parts are not meeting the requirements and the race teams are reaching out asking to modify them to fit, its not so much the race teams fault. Lets see Nascar turn the corner and look at the sourced parts in question and find out why they are not fitting the criteria they Nascar established. I feel they might be barking up the wrong tree and penalizing end user. Take care, Love the program
Crappy parts – Kevin Harvick
but then they would overturn the entire penalty. hendrick would be found to have done nothing wrong if they had modified the part to be correct, and the only other car found to have the same issue with louvers is a satellite team for HMS? no other team spoke up about their issue with louvers, no other team has had these issues.
Yes i agree so why is Nascar so keen to shout out ‘cheaters’ all the time. Is it to hide their poor judgement and lack of knowledge?
@iisquared I agree with you, but go back to the next gen cars beginnings. Remember when the wheels were not made correctly and the pins would not go on the wheel and wheels were falling off, teams modified them to fit then penalties were looked at? Remember the fires in the ford cars where rubber built up and caught on fire, or SHR trying to soften the rear clips for driver safety when Nascar was doing apparently nothing for driver safety. In most instances the teams talked to Nascar and then were penalized for modifying. This is my argument and that is, communications to Nascar and within Nascar. One Nascar official saying sure go ahead and make it fit and another raising the penally flag for the same modified part. So I feel Nascar needs to look closer at the manufacturers sourced parts for discrepencies in production before dropping the hammer on the end users of the sourced parts
And many of us have been very unhappy with nascar for years.
The incident between Suarez and Bowman/Chastain was actually the last restart, not the first
The appeals panel reversed the points penalties because the louvers had to be modified to fit correctly, but kept the fines and suspensions because they violated the rules which said they can’t modify parts. So the modifications weren’t to gain an advantage, it was necessary for the NASCAR issued part to actually fit correctly.
The parts came from a nascar supplier , nascar just needs money apparently !! HMS didn’t do anything wrong , they even told nascar that the parts don’t fit right !!
No it is about Money 100%Money always Is .Hendrick is not The First Time ? If He bribed Hoinda Exects G+He is still Bribing Panels . Especially when an employee is on His Panel .
Yes, but my argument is HMS did not break the rules because NASCAR essentially exempted them from that rule for a fix related to specs.
I think it is only fair that NASCAR gets fine $100,000 and loses 1% of its track revenue to be split amongst all teams every time a single source part is delivered out of spec. An out of spec part is no different than a modified part and NASCAR should be held to the same precedent.
Agreed about the overturn idea. But like you said, we DON’T actually know what HMS’ argument was and what evidence they brought to the table. I think your concerns are valid if it was a Mickey Mouse defense, but I don’t want to judge too harshly because for all we know they brought something valid. I don’t think it’s quite the apocalypse you made it out to be, but I am interested to see how this season goes with other appeals
It’s obvious that NASCAR needs to get their processes in order. The appeals panel is the only thing keeping them in check. Maybe that 400k will help them figure out the issues the teams are telling them about.
All they want is the money
I 100% hope to see Esteban Ocon do a race this year cause best way to develop race craft is through racing and he’s one of those drivers who’s passionate about being behind the wheel of anything similar to Jenson Button.
as an australian, SVG has been doing every type of racing he can feasibly attempt, including GTE at Le Mans and drift events back home in new zealand. he definitely seems like the perfect candidate for project 91
Vey similar car to a CUP car. After seeing how Ambrose obliterated most of NASCAR on road course, with only Montoya being his closest rival. And SVG is better than Ambrose. Only question would be the “respect” issue we see with new generation of Cup drivers.
@Jeremy Thurman i mean yeah it’ll definitely be an issue, but i dont think hell be targeted more than anybody else out there. if hes lucky he’ll be competitive and maybe a top 10 or a top 15 finish will be possible
Also he doesn’t really like the new Aus supercar and he got bashed by the media recently so it seems feasible from that perspective
@Christopher Hall i mean yeah but he isnt gonna jump ship from v8 supercars because of it and even if he does he seems to have ambitions elsewhere than a full time cup ride
@Jeremy Thurman ambrose won 2 race sin cup. Same track for both Watkins. With Over a 100 starts. Montoya won 1 race after years of being in cup. Do you even follow nascar?? Neither one ever dominated in cup racing. 2 wins for one 1 win for other. Isn’t called dominant. They actually lost to cup/nationwide regulars alot on their specialty road courses.
The fact that no one who intentionally wrecked some one on Sunday is being mentioned to have a penalty is upsetting. That’s affecting the outcome of a race for sure. Ross Chastain intentionally stopping on track and then restarting the car when a safety car gets to him especially is upsetting. He must feel untouchable cuz he knows NASCAR won’t do anything about it. They’re way more concerned with retaliation than they are with unprovoked reckless driving. Unless this changes we’ll just get more and more outta line
Yep
As much as I want to roll my eyes and say “of course HMS got off,” I have to agree somewhat. The parts were removed before qualifying and the race after NASCAR allowed them in practice. I agree there should have been a penalty, but I’m not sure the points were necessary yet.
I feel that the reversal is due to the parts were taken before the race in Phoenix and not after the race. So yeah, they brought illegal parts and are still being fined, but the drivers aren’t losing points since those illegal parts weren’t used in the race proper, punishing those who were trying to play the system and not the drivers who (at least I would hope) weren’t involved in bringing said illegal parts.
I agree with you, Eric. To many it appears that the appeals panel just allowed Hendrick to buy their way out. The penalty should have been all wrong, or all legal.
You are 100% correct on the consequences of the HMS appeal ruling. It’s a complete mockery of the rule book.
There is clearly an issue with the parts that are being made for the next-gen car and this is the real problem that NASCAR needs to look at because if the teams have to modify these parts in order to make them meet NASCAR’s rule book, that’s an even bigger issue..
It will be interesting to see what happens with the Kaulig appeal. If it has a different result than the Hendrick appeal, they may need to re-evaluate the way appeals are handled as a whole