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Rain tires make their NASCAR oval debut at Martinsville, to much fanfare and criticism. Carson Hocevar finds himself in hot water once again.
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NASCAR race control needs a massive overhaul for all three series
You’re are so right!
Been watching for over 30 years and fans are never happy or rarely happy
@David S Often times, people don`t know what they want.
@David S Now it’s worst with social media, where you have more people not knowing what they want haha! I remember when they rallied for more Road Courses, and now they don’t want the Road Courses. Or how they rallied for the 550 hp package a few seasons ago, and then all of a sudden became the worst thing ever. Now they want the Green White Checker rule to go, after they nearly rioted in 2015(?) at the fall Talladega race , when Dale Jr lost to Logano on the final restart. Haha!
@LionManatic or in 2004 at Talladega when Jeff Gordon won instead of Dale Jr
if you ever feel useless or down on yourself, just know that at least you’re not a rain tire on an oval
Or if you ever feel useless, just remember that you can rotate the square in Tetris
Or if you ever feel down on yourself, at least you’re not some guy name Carson.H , throwing a fit after the slightest inconvenience.
It literally was used to help the race start earlier…? What does this comment even mean.
Pretty sure that scene in the first cars movie with the King and McQueen applies to Carson.
“You’ve got more talent in one lugnut then most cars have in their whole body…
but you’re stupid.”
Who is like the young Lightning McQueen these days?
@Big Hand CBell, Reddick, Zane Smith, Larson, Byron, Austin Hill…. Just to name a few.
@High Road Media McQueen might actually be the best NASCAR driver to ever exist.
In 2006 he started his rookie campaign, 3rd in the standings. He retired in 2017, although he only made one start. In those 10 years, he won 7 championships.
So, Lightning McQueen=Jimmie Johnson
the falloff wasnt even because of the grooves, it was from it being a softer compound
well this makes my comment rather redundant lol but yeah you are entirely correct, the pattern of the tyre doesn’t matter at all, it’s what the tyre itself is made of.
engineering tyres with rapid fall off and fragility sounds good in theory but I’ll be damned if it doesn’t take forever to actually strike a decent balance between having a good race tyre and having manufactured a chunk of rubber that’s made the racing worse, not better.
*flashes back to SIlverstone 2013*
Correct. It was what the tire was made of. Not the shapes on the tires.
Tire falloff is good…lol
It’s a bit of both. Less contact patch means less rubber doing more work. That’ll make it wear faster, in addition to the compound being softer.
I agree that yesterday’s race is a complete joke. And I also agree that Hocevar deserves to be called out for that move he tried to do at Martinsville.
“Rule # 1 in stock car racing is learn how to wreck someone without wrecking yourself” – Landon Cassill
I’m so glad we remember Landon Cassill for this.
I think part of the issue is that the in race penalties don’t mean much in the win and in championship system. If you aren’t really in contention for the win anyway then as long as the penalty doesn’t affect your playoff eligibility it doesn’t matter. Compare that to a 2 lap penalty in the Chase or Winston Cup era. That would essentially be a 20 point penalty and you will feel that later in the season when trying to make a championship push.
Great point
Who gets to make the call on whats a penalty and whats just hard racing? Is it like stick and ball sports, if you get a bad call and it coast you then that sucks you just got to get over it? What if a car squezzed me in to the wall and I dont lift or trys clearing him self squizzing me in to the grass and i dont lift, do i get a penalty calls he wrecked him self trying to clear him self? Should they do like f1 all contact is a penalty on some one? I thank boys have at it is the only fair way to do it.
The playoff system sucks period ! Not used anywhere else at your local track .no.1 can go to 16 in one race or vice versa sucks balls !
About the time you think Carson has it figured out he goes back to what he does best.
I kinda just wanna point out, I think this was for the LMP2 cars, which run Goodyear tires as well. I was watching the WEC FP3 at Portimão and there was talk that Goodyear made a rain tire that was supposed to be better in drying conditions to eliminate the need for an Intermediate tire. Which I kinda found funny after hear these, basically Intermediate Tires is what they r for NASCAR, can only go like 25 laps in drying conditions cause how soft they r. NASCAR definitely needs to work on how wet the track needs to be before it starts becoming Charlotte Roval 2020 or COTA 2021 all over again. Cause literally they could just got some actual rain tires they race at any other road course with and probably could’ve actually ran they whole thing just fine. There wasn’t much spray and you’re talking about a half mile double hairpin like track, obviously it’s gonna dry rapidly when ya got 30+ cars/trucks running over the surface like 5-10 laps per min. Not sure how much a rain tire is compared to a slick, but definitely would’ve saved teams money just to buy a certain amount of slicks and wets. If NASCAR is gonna commit to running rain at short tracks, they gotta work on how wet the track has to be to run em. Was a good start, but definitely have tons of adjustments that need to happen in order to work.
The rain tires are more because they probably are more expensive to make.
@Easy E Network r rain tires really more expensive? Or r we just talking about the new oval rain tire in general?
I think they should use the wet tires they use for road courses. They should race in the rain unless like a down pour or if the spray is really bad which reduces visibility and causes a safety concern. Rain delays suck especially when watching at home since they can talk about so many topics. I tend to just walk away from the races and just record it and come back later if they race continues.
In my opinion, I think that the first stint with the rain tires was a sort of test, how would the tires hold up in “slightly damp but mostly dry” conditions in a race where the drivers are actually competing and being more aggressive and later on in the race didn’t use them because 1 not all teams had multiple sets, and 2 they felt like the results they got were good.
Yes, they did not want wrecks and slow slow speeds.
It’s like the intermediate tire in F1. Made for a damp/drying track.
All you have to remember is F1 wet tires are one of the biggest jokes still and I’m not surprised at all this happened. Totally agree in the smaller series the wet tires should be paid for by someone else and not the teams.
Why are they a joke?
@Blue Monkey F1 has an intermediate and wet tire. The intermediate is fine, but every time the wet can be used, they postpone or call the race instead. Monaco and Suzuka last year are examples of this. One can argue valid reasons of lack of visibility and grip are why they don’t use it. Which then leads to: why do they exist at all?
@Brian F. Turkey 2020 is a good example of when the wet tires are useful. The wet tires themselves are generally not the issue – particularly aerodynamics combined with the high speeds are the main issue, which is difficult to rectify.
Good job Eric you finally did a good thing with the stand up to the corporations they’re killing the little man
As a race team owner the most expensive racing costs are tires and travel to and from the track. Smaller lower funded teams can’t afford to buy two complete sets of tires for each race. In NASCAR each 4-tire pit stops cost $1200. The wet tires “lasted 25 laps” so that means that they are worn out in about 12.5 miles.
You nailed it Eric. Make the networks pay for the tires.
Love that they are learning how to use rain tires on ovals! There’s a learning curve, give them some grace on this.
They’re not using rain tires on ovals they are damp condition tires
@John Haas Are we really gonna get technical? Smh
It is worth trying and it sucks that they didn’t give it much effort. But at the same time, it’s still the first time racing on an oval that wet. With the weather, we actually got an official race which is better than we ever would’ve gotten in the past. So it is what it is and there’s no reason to be too upset about it IMO
As usual, Eric provides the best NASCAR analysis of anybody. Better than some of the television analysts.